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I have finished DNA testing for my brother and have discovered that he is closely related to a descendant of William Noble, born 1819, died 1888 in Belfast. He had 2 wives, Eliza Brownlee and Elizabeth Matchett. He had 2 sons with Elizabeth, Richard and John. John married Mary Ann Waring and they emmigrated to Canada.

Our relative who lives in Canada has been searching for his ancestors for years, and neither of us can find a connection between the 2 families. There may have been an adoption or name change in Ireland or England. I think both families could have been Border Reivers. There were Storys and Nobles everywhere in Belfast, Longford in Co Fermanagh, and Belturbet in Co Cavan, and also in the north of England, Cumbria, Northumberland and Yorkshire. Any help or suggestions will be gratefully recieved, 

regards, Suzanne

Suzanne

Monday 19th Feb 2018, 07:40AM

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  • Suzanne,

    Have you ascertained what children William had by Elizabeth Matchett?  If there were some, could one have married a Stor(e)y?

    I noticed that the informant for William Noble’s death was his son-in-law Joseph Allen, of Argyle St. He married Elizabeth Noble in 1888. This looks to be that family in 1901:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Woodvale_Ward/Argyle_Street/1005453/

    Ulster was heavily settled by Scots in the 1600s, and both Noble and Storey are Border Reiver names, so it wouldn’t be at all surprising to find that your families originated there. Some hundred thousand Scots settled in Ireland in the 1600s, so that seems pretty plausible. There aren’t any records of those who migrated in the 1600s though, so linking back to Scotland or northern England via paper records is unlikely. You might get there via DNA though.

    http://www.borderreivers.co.uk/Border%20Families/BORDER%20SURNAMES%20%2…

     

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Monday 19th Feb 2018, 09:58PM

  • Hi Elwyn,

    Thank you for your reply.

    I did not know how many children William had, or with which wife, so following that Allen marriage will be helpful.

    I have the death index record for William, but do not know where to find the informant.

    According to the age of the shared haplogroup, the date of a marriage/adoption could be as far back as 300 years. There are Nobles and Storys in the Plantation rolls, but no further trace of them.

    Both families lived in the West Marches, maybe around Cumbria, and there are a number of marriages there, too many to be able to identify anyone.

    Just soldiering on, and thank you for your input,

    regards, Suzanne

    Suzanne

    Saturday 24th Feb 2018, 02:30AM

  • I see a birth for a male child on 5th Feb 1875 in Belfast. Parents William Noble, bleacher, and Eliza Brownlee. Parents normal address 134 Tuney (?) St. Informant was Alice Brownlee of Frederick St.

    You can view the cert free on the irishgenealogy site.

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Saturday 24th Feb 2018, 05:13PM

  • Thank you Elwyn, looks as though you have got me started on a new improved search! I have just re-joined IGSI so hopefully there will be more info there,

    regards, Suzanne

    Suzanne

    Tuesday 27th Feb 2018, 05:52AM

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