Andrew McCarty - Margaret Toner

Clare:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

www.irishgenealogy.ie is a free Irishgovernment site which has civil birth records from 1864-1916. There were no Margaret Toner birth records in 1864 but I located an 1865 and 1866 records which are below. I also found an 1861 and an 1862 baptismal records for a Margaret Toner in Co. Tyrone.

Our volunteers would really need her parents names to see if we can find the correct record. Can you locate a death record or obituary? Possibly the parents names are shown.

I searched the subscription site Roots Ireland from 1857-1867 and did not find any records for Andrew McCarty in Co. Tyrone. Possibly he was born in a different county. There are five records for an Andrew Carty in the years around 1862 in different counties on Roots Ireland. We would need his parents names to see if any of these records match up.

I will alert our HQ that you are coming to Ireland.

Roger McDonnell

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Dear Clare:  Thank you for your post to the message board.  Would you be able to supply any more information such as parents’ names for your query?  That way, we may be able to narrow down the area that you would like to visit.  

Kind regards,  

Jane.

Dear Clare:

Thank you for your post to the Ireland Reaching Out message board. 

I note that the McCarthy surname is not a common one for County Tyrone.  While there are McCarthy baptisms/births registered in County Tyrone under the Roots Ireland database, there isn't any reference to an Andrew.  However, not all of the baptism registers are on the Roots Ireland database and it might mean that his baptism record is in one of those that is not on Roots Ireland.

However, I did take a look at the 1901 Census, and there are 3 McCarthys noted in that Census.  The purpose of this was to try to narrow down a few possible locations in County Tyrone for your ancestor.  The link for you to view is below:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?searchMoreVisible=false&census_year=1901&surname=McCarthy&firstname=&county19011911=Tyrone&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&barony=&parish=&ward=&townland=&houseNumber=&familyId=&ded=&age=&sex=&search=Search&ageInMonths=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&yearsMarried=&birthplace=&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumber=&protNumber=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=

Sorry for the long-winded link!!  However, this might be a good starting point and then you can work backwards.  There are registers on the National Library of Ireland website for County Tyrone at the link below:

The link for Omagh is Drumragh parish.  Here is the link:

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0365

The link for Cookstown is Desertcreight parish.  Here is the link:

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0204

Again the area listed for the third McCarthy falls under the Omagh area (Clanabogan DED and Aghadulla townland).  That would be the first link.  The fact that there are 2 families in this parish with the surname McCarthy might be a further clue as to the origins of Andrew McCarthy.

I did note the surname of McCarty under the Roots Ireland which you have referred to.  There isn't any entry for a McCarty in the 1901 Census.

As to the search for Margaret Toner, there are a number of entries for her--none for 1864, but one for 1865.  You might include her parents' names if you know them to see if they are also listed on the 1901 Census. 

For ease of refernce, the 1901 & 1911 Census records are available at this link:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

If you need any further assistance, please let me know.  If you are able to narrow down the parish, please reply on this thread and we can try to arrange for a volunteer to meet you. 

Kind regards,

Jane.

Thank you so much for your help! I actually do have both of my Great-grandparents parents’ names. Andrew McCarty was born to Patrick and Mary ( Byrne ) McCarty. Margaret Toner was born to John Toner and Mary ( Devine ) Toner on September 16, 1864. As they married in 1883 and both had immigrated by 1880 I don’t imagine they would be registered among the 1901 census. I am confused re: the McCarty/ McCarthy information. Is the surname one and the same in Ireland? 

Sincerely,

Clare 

Name:Margaret TonerDate of Birth:00-Jan-1861
Date of Baptism:17-Sep-1861Address:BarnessParish/District:PLUMBRIDGEGender:FemaleCountyTYRONE
Father:John TonerMother:Mary DevineOccupation:Unknown
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:John 
UnknownSponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Mary Mccullow 

Name:Andrew CartyDate of Birth:09-Apr-1858
Date of Baptism:11-Apr-1858Address:Bahana WhaleyParish/District:RATHDRUMGender:
CountyCo. Wicklow
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Patrick CartyMother:Maria ByrneOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Peter Walsh Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Anna Byrne 

This is a shock to say the least! How did we go from Carty to McCarty? What is meant by the term “ informant “? And to find out my Great-grandfather and I share a birthday?! It’s all so overwhelming.

Ms. Anna Byrne, are we related?

Thank you and God bless you,

Clare 

Clare:

In the 19th century  the "Mc" and "O"  were dropped from the surnames so you would see Brien for O'Brien and in your case Carty for McCarty. When the family emigrated many times the "O" or 'Mc" were restored.

The informant on a baptism was almost always a parent. The sponsors on the Toner record were John (no last name provided) and Mary McCullow.

Roger

Hello from Long Island, New York!

I'm hoping I'm not too late to the conversation.

Andrew McCarty and Margaret "Maggie" McCarty (nee Toner) were my Great Grandparents on my father's side.

My father being Joseph Thomas McCarty (b. 1918, Philadelphia PA, d. 1989 Sea Cliff, NY).

I have attached an image to this post.  I believe the woman to be Maggie Toner.  Behind her to her right (our left) is I believe her son Andrew and in her arms, his son (my uncle) Andrew, jr.

I want to thank Clare for posting this original thread and all those who have contributed.

May I ask, does anyone know if John Toner and / or Mary Devine ever immigrated to the United States?

Thank you all once again!

Best regards,

Thomas

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Hi Thomas!

My Daddy ,Ed McCarty, and your father Joe, were brothers. I can not see the picture that well but the resemblance was shocking! I can see my Dad in him, your father ( who looked so much like my Dad! ) and our Uncle Andy. I do not think our great-Grandfather’s parents ever immigrated. I also believe that they did not meet in Ireland but in Philadelphia. I was at your house in Sea Cliff once as a little girl. I remember walking down to see the Sound and a house with a Chinese Pagoda? I also remember a place called Freedom Land? The last time I saw your Dad was at my father’s funeral. Three years apart and they looked like twins! My email address is : claretl@comcast.net. I would love to hear more of what you know or remember if you’d like to stay in touch.

Clare

Hello Clare!
I'll be sure to get an email off to you in the coming days. How incredible to meet you in this way!
If you're on Ancestry, my tree is called McCarty - Murray.
If you're on Findagrave, you'll find many of our family there.
Just the thought of Uncle Eddie brings a smile to my face. I'm glad to know there were matriarchs like Maggie Toner and Anna Murray who brought this family together.
All the very best to you Clare and to all who contributed to this thread - thank you!
-tmc

Hi Clare,

My Great Great Grandmother was Mary Toner. She was born in Tyrone in 1845, and her husband was James McFeeters. I belive her parents to be James and Margaret, but I don't know this to be fact. Her daughter Margaret (born 1865)  was my Great Grandmother, and was the oldest of seven, all being born in the Strabane and Omagh vicinity. All but one, including James and Mary, migrated to the Philadelphia area between 1887-1890, as I understand there may have been a second famine in the Tyrone area around this time. I don't know if this will help, or add to the confusion, but I hope it is some help.

Walt

Hi Walt,

It appears as if we share the same Great-great grandmother. I’m not sure as to how that makes us related, cousins for sure. It’s so exciting to find this out. I do have a copy of her death certificate which made me very sad. My brother and sister and I found Andrew’s grave but it was unmarked. We assumed she was there also.

Sincerely,

Clare

Hi Clare:  

it sounds as if you have made quite a few connections from this query!  If you still need any assistance with your trip, please let me know.  Kind regards,  

Jane 

Hi Clare,

   If you don't mind my asking, how were you able to find Mary's death certificate, as I have run up against a brick wall on some of this. I know fron Ancestry that she and James migrated, and her daughter Margaret married my Great- Grandfather Edward McDonough, but I haven't been able to find death certificates on James, Mary, or Margaret. I believe most of the family was buried at New Cathedral Cemetary.

Thanks,

Walt

Hi Walt, A friend of mine does genealogy research as a hobby. She found Margaret Toner McCarty’s Death Certificate for me. It states that her mother’s maiden name was Mary Devine. She is buried in Holy Cross Cemetery in Darby PA. She died in a place called the Sacred Heart Home for Incurable Cancer. Sad to me.               I am not on any other sites. I came across irelandxo kinda by accident.

I hope this helps a little.                                                                                                                                                                                                                              

Clare