Christopher (Christy) Hogan

Tess:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

Do you know for sure that the 1927 marriage record is for your Christopher Hogan? Then Patrick Hogan was his father and the 1901 census record you found would be his family.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Limerick_Urban_No__2/Church_Street/1497847/  

This would be the 1911 census for the family minus Christy  http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Limerick_No__2_Urban/Gross_Road/626371/  However, note that there is an eleven year old Gerard. Is that your Christy?

Roger McDonnell

Thank you Roger. Yes I noticed a new 'Gerard' - odd. I just don't know. It would mean Christy would be referred to as Stephen, Gerard or Christopher/Christy. Seems strange? Furthermore relatives believe Patrick King fought and died for England in 1918 but that would mean he'd be a soldier in his 50's.  I wonder whether it was Christopher's brother Patrick who died. Christopher was involved in the Troubles and lost most of a leg in 1923, however he also fought against Germany and was a POW. Again seems strange that Father and son would fight in the same war? 

Thank you Miriam. It's interesting that Gerard wasn't linked to the Patrick/Ellen family in 1901? My elder brother's middle name is Gerard. We have a copy of a short marriage cert dated 19 Nov 1927 where Mary Purcell my Grandmother marries 'Stephen' Hogan. Wondered why he called himself Stephen. I hope he wasn't a bigamist :) In his IRA days his army claim form record states he was 26 in 1925. He had most of his leg amputated in 1923. It's interesting that someone fought for the British against German, yet also fought against the British. 

Thank you Miriam. Yes I now remember seeing that marriage certificate on-line and noting my Grandmother worked for /lived with one of the Nestors on the South Circular. However in the family docs we have a short version doc stating that Stephen Hogan married Mary Purcell in St Josephs and one of the witnesses was Mary Graham. It's possible that he may have lived with the Grahams in 1911 as he was close to Mary. I think as Patrick and Ellen are more likely to be Christopher's parents it's a question of finding Patrick. I find it hard to imagine that he (Patrick) was in the war in 1918 and died in Cologne. I think maybe it was Christopher's brother that died in Cologne? I'm also going to start exploring Limerick death certificate. 

Thanks for all your help Miriam. The Patrick jnr wedding cert shows that Patrick senior is dead by 1932 so these guys prob aren't from the same family. I know my Great Grandmother Hogan lived with my Mum's family when she was young and she was a widow by then. My Mum was born in 33 I think.  The birth dates of Gerard and Christopher still baffle me. There's no mention of twins though?   I also found a widow called Mary Hogan who was living at 49 Watergate, Limerick No 6. Her son Christopher is aged 7 though in the 1901 census.     Whereas Christopher's Irish army details states he's 26 in 1925, so that ties in more with Ellen & Patrick's family.    // I have a photo of Christopher Hogan with 3 soldiers behind him. Mum believed they were German soldiers. I can only assume he fought in 1ww and the story is that he was a POW. If you can find out anything about period of my Grandad's life this it would be great.      I also have a series of letters and documents about his military pension etc. and his role in the Irish conflict which makes for a harrowing read.  I think there's a later dispute from my Grandmother about how much he received from the State given his amputation and his involvement. So sad. I have army details of: Army No. 31334 A Company 2nd battalion, Mid Limerick Brigade.  A Sergeant in the National Forces of Saorstat Eireann.  The 34th battalion Army No. 35959. The dates appear to be 1919- 1924. Thanks so much!