From BMD records for Templemore Cathedral, Londonderry City I have the christening for James Moore 06 May 1643 son of Edward. Also, on on 03 Sep 1643 one for John son of Thomas Moore. Through extensive research I believe Edward and Thomas could be brothers.
I believe James is the James Moore of 04 April 1700 Land Indent with William Conolly for half the townland of Carrowreagh in Co Derry. The other half was with a Thomas Moore who had a son John. James d 1729 - his sons Tristram and Edward
The line of James Moore 1643-1729 led to his great grandson Tristram Moore 1767 Co Derry -1839 Australia. I have written about him under the Boards Tamlaght Finlagan (Derry) and Tamlaght (Derry). I have done intensive research on this Moore family.
| Additional Information | ||
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| Date of Birth | 6th May 1643 | |
| Date of Death | 1st Jan 1729 | |
| Place & Date of Baptism | Templemore Cathedral, Londonderry City 06 May 1643 son of Edward | |
I am researching my 4th gr. grandfather, James B. Moore, b. abt. 1756, Londonderry, d. 1829 Nittany Valley, PA, USA. He m. Mary Ann "Molly" Lindsey. They came to the U.S. about 1802 to Pennsylvania. Does this connect at all to your tree? Any help appreciated.
Thanks,
Carla Bowlin
Hello, Carla. I have no evidence that he connects to my tree but evidence is in short supply and he could. Per my original message I believe I am from James Moore born Londonderry City 1643 and died 1729 in Carrowreagh townland near Limavady in Co Derry. He only had 2 sons Tristram and Edward and I am from Tristram.
Do you know if your James B Moore was born in Londonderry City or County Londonderry and if in Co Derry which Townland?
Moore is a pretty common surname and James a popular christian name. My Moores are in the adjoining townlands of Carrowreagh and Carrowclare east of the City of Londonderry near Limavady and Myroe (see Google maps for these places).
If your James is connected to my family - basically there were two lines from a James and a Thomas on land Indentures of 1700 and each had sons and they had sons etc and people tended to have large families. As time progressed there was a fan of Moore families in those 2 townlands and interconnected. So there were lots of cousins. Due to the large families and a limited quantity of land and other reasons many migrated to America in the 1700s. I'm pretty sure some from my line did but I don't know who.
The Tristram I mention above was born abt 1680-90 and married in 1710. He had sons and I have no definite names for those but one is likely to be a Tristram who then had a son Tristram 1767 who is my 5 x great grandfather and came to Australia in 1802 as a convict - he was an Irish Rebel.
Do you have a shipping record for your James B in 1802 to America - it may have some helpful information.
So your James could fit in as a brother to my Tristram born 1767 and with father Tristram.
The Tristram of 1680-90 had one brother Edward who may have been the younger brother and had a son or grandson James. I know he had a son Nathan.
Your James B could be a grandson of other Moores in the 2 townlands around 1700 - there were Moores named Thomas, John, Samuel, William, Robert, etc.
After a paid researcher gave us a 49 page report I spent another 2 years searching Find My Past and other records to do some trees - some relationships are definite and others are surmised based on probability. At one stage I had 5 William Moores living at the same time and it took a very long time to separate them all. In the Report were some scattered BMD records and I checked but nothing which could be the bapt of your James or his marriage.
For Ireland the land records are best as so many BMD records were destroyed - but for Irish ancestry you must know the townland your ancestor came from as just the County won't help greatly to find someone with the same name as many others.
Mine being named Tristram was helpful and I know of Tristram Moores in America and Canada in the 1700s and some may be from my family - children of the ones who emigrated. There is a Tristram Moore in West Bradford Chester Co PA having a son in 1750 also called Tristram. One died 1811 and the other 1833 and one was a Captain (Marlborough PA) in the 1777-83 Revolutionary War.
Another Tristram Moore born abt 1783 in New Hamps to I think William Moore. That family moved up to New Brunswick and founded Moores Mills. That Tristram had a grandson and great grandson Tristram who ended up in Savannah Georgia and died in New York. The last one was 6 feet tall as was my Tristram the convict and his grandson in Australia - at a time when people were generally shorter. Maybe they were the same line from Co Derry and height was in the DNA.
Another Tristram Moore in Isle of Wight Virginia around 1739. The Irish liked to use the same family christian names of parent, grandparents and siblings.
Have you done any DNA tests - I am on Ancestry DNA, My Heritage, ftdna, Living DNA and Gedmatch. I don't know how much DNA would come through so may generations.
I'm afraid I can't give you any certainty. There may be some PA records you can access which would help https://www.chesco.org/192/Archives-Records. You could also join an Old Chester PA group oldchestercounty@groups.io - was Rootsweb but now on .io as Rootsweb stopped. You can put out questions and some people may be able to help.
Let me know if you have any more information about your James B Moore or have any luck in tracking him. Sorting Irish ancestry isn't easy.
Regards, Marilyn
Hi, Marilyn, Thanks for your reply and information. The family information has it that James B. Moore (middle name could be Barnett) was born in 1756 in Londonderry. He married Mary Ann "Molly" Lindsey apparently on 30 April 1770 at St. Columb Cathedral of Derry. I have only a typewritten index from St. Columb showing James Moore married Mary Lindesay. I have emailed St. Columb's to see if there is an original record showing any more information. They said that is all they have. My birthdate for Mary Ann, which is abt. 1760, would not correspond with a wedding date of 1770. They had 8 children, 6 males, 2 females. Their first son, Joseph, b. abt. 1777, could have been born in Bonds Glen section of Londonderry. According to "County and Family Histories; PA, 1740-1900, pg. 217, James was a weaver by trade. I have a ship manifest for the ship "America," 16 July 1801, from Liverpool, England, to Philadelphia, PA, showing a Jas Moore and family on board. They settled first in Lancaster Co., PA. They moved to Nittany, Centre Co., PA, in 1806, and then to Jefferson Co., PA.
I have no Moores named Tristram. James and Mary Ann's children's names were: Joseph, James, Margaret, John, Edward, Andrew (my 3rd gr. grandfather), Nancy, and Jacob. I read somewhere that traditional Irish naming patterns were that the oldest son was named after his paternal grandfather, the second oldest named after the maternal grandfather, the third son named after his father. So unless I have missed a son, their naming pattern wouldn't fit.
My brother and I have done DNA tests on Familytree DNA, and I also have mine on Ancestry. I also uploaded our DNA to gedmatch. Are you on gedmatch also?
Again, thanks for all of your information!
Carla
Hello, Carla, I checked on Ancestry, Gedmatch and ftdna but no Bowlin match to me or my brother Christopher Long. On ftdna on my brother when I search for Bowlin a Donna Glass comes up. We have tried to work out how we magtch and we feel it is in Ireland but can't work it out. She has Bowlin in her names. Also a Karen Pilgrim comes up for both Chris and me and she has Moore and Bowlin. Are they matches to you or your brother? My Gedmatch is RN2341068 if you want to compare to it.
Children of James B and Mary Ann - I have Josephs, Jamese, Johns and Edwards but they are pretty common names.
It sounds like your James B was in Londonderry City and not out in a Townland. Though if he was a weaver he may have been outside the City proper.
I have looked on Find My Past but the Derry Register for Templemore only covers 1642-1703.
I suspect you'd have to start with paying a resesarcher in Northern Ireland to do some basic research for you at PRONI in Belfast as most of their records need to be accessed in person. If they were Northern Ireland for 30 years after marriage there might be a land record which is what you need to start off. From their information you might be able to do some further searching.
On FMP is a database called Crossle Genealogical Abstracts which has lots of records re land, marriages, deeds, probate etc - it's not BMD but is hand written records of seemingly legal dealings. The writing and abbreviations can be difficult to work out. I did a search for a James Moore 1772 +- and one came up for 1772. I'll try and attach the pdf and James is mentioned on the last line right side of the page as the only son of Atcheson Moore and it seems to relate to a marriage - it doesn't continue to the next page. I also can attach the so called transcription which gives the archive reference for the item. Though if he was a weaver there might not be marriage agreements.
I have also pdf's 2 lots of some pages from my research on my Moores. It covers and earlier time than your James but there might be some clues in it for you to pursue..
I can't attach - it's only for a link. I thought I had seen attachments on some trails on this site. My email is marilynlong2011@yahoo.com if you want to email me and I can send you the 4 attachments.
Lancaster Co and Chester Co where I might have Moores are not far apart but probably a lot of Irish headed for those areas not too far from the coast when they first arrived and later moved inland to get land in newer areas.
Regards, Marilyn
