Hello, I'm looking for a Michael Campbell born abt 1809 in Antrim, Belfast. On January 25 1839 his son James was born. He may or may not have been married to Letitia Smythe. ( no marraige date) Around 1842 they immigrated to the area of Peterborough Ontario Canada. (Or Maybe Only James?)
I have tried locating them through the Methodist Church records, but no luck. If anyone as any information would be grateful!
Roxanne
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Monday 8th Jun 2020, 06:00PMMessage Board Replies
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Roxanne,
Your family were apparently Methodists. Methodism took a lot longer to become established in Ireland as a separate denomination than in England. In Ireland there was considerable resistance to separating from the Church of Ireland. It was 1815 before Methodists started to conduct their own baptisms. However because of continuing loyalty and other factors, many continued to use the Church of Ireland for sacraments for years after this and it was 1871 before all Methodists routinely performed their own baptisms.
For marriages, the earliest ceremonies conducted by a Methodist Minister in Ireland that I am aware of, date from 1835 (Belfast Donegall Square, the first Methodist church in Ireland). However in the mid 1800s there were only a few Methodist Ministers in Ireland (Methodism relied heavily on lay preachers). So the shortage of Ministers contributed to the continuing practice of marrying in the Church of Ireland. In addition, in the early years, many Methodist Meeting Houses were not licensed for marriages so that too contributed to couples marrying in the Church of Ireland.
So to summarise, you are unlikely to find many Methodist baptisms before 1820. Few marriages before the 1840s and only a handful for many years after that. If there are no Methodist records in the location you are interested in, I would search the Church of Ireland instead, as that’s the most likely place to find the relevant event.
If Michael and Letitia were born c 1809, then it’s safe to say they were not baptised as Methodists. Most likely they’d be baptised into the Church of Ireland. If they married around 1838 then it’s possible that they had a Methodist ceremony, but only 1 or 2 meeting houses offered that then. Statistically they are more likely to have married in the Church of Ireland. Also remember that tradition was to marry in the bride’s church after which she’d attend her husband’s. So Letitia’s denomination at birth is probably crucial to locating where they married.
I don’t think any Methodist records are on-line. Some Church of Ireland records are on the rootsireland site, include those for St. Anne’s the main parish church in Belfast. However there were a number of other C of I churches in the city and their records are not on-line. I can see about 3 C of I churches in Belfast with records for the 1830s and 4 Methodist meeting houses. The churches usually hold the originals of these records but there are also copies of most of the records in PRONI, the public record office, in Belfast. (A few are still held by the individual churches, particularly Methodist records). A personal visit is required to access the copies at PRONI. Access to the records there is free. This link explains what records exist, parish by parish:
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/proni-guide-church-records
If you are unable to go yourself, you could employ a researcher. Researchers in the PRONI area: http://sgni.net
Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
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Elwyn, thankyou for the information, guess I'll have to start looking at the church of Ireland. Hopefully I can find something in those records. Wish me luck!
woodbuyer
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Hi Roxanne,
I'm also looking for the same person.
I think his son James moved to Canada (see linage link from the 'settlers of highland east' website.https://settlers.highlandseast.ca/getperson.php?personID=I25&tree=tree1
Anyways, Michael would be my Great-Great Grandfather.
let me know if you learn anything.
Richard Campbell
richardccampbell@me.comRickyC
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Oh Also,
I just reviewed the marriage registry for James (Son), and it does show Michael & Letitia as the parents of James.
1865
Michael Campbell in entry for James Campbell and Mary J Collins, "Ontario, County Marriage Registers, 1858-1869"Take care,
Richard
RickyC
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RickyC
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Sorry Roxanne,
That link just wants to open the app instead of the source page.
please ignore it.RickyC
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Hello Richard, thank you for replying. We probably have the same info. I keep hitting a brick wall concerning Michael & Letitia. I have not found any concrete evidence of when they arrived in Canada or where they lived. Just what was stated on James marriage license.
But I keep searching...If ai find anything I will let you know.Regards Roxanne
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