Denis Sheridan 1830

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Date of Birth	1st Jan 1830
Date of Death	1st Jan 1900
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Hi there, I’m related to William Sheridan (brother of your Denis Sheridan bn 1830). Do you have any information on Denis’s parents & grandparents ? Craig (Sydney)

craigh

Saturday 2nd May 2020 12:30AM

Hi Craig, Denis' parents and grandparents have been a brick wall for me as well. There is a record of a Manus Sheridan from Donegal, but there is no way of knowing if he belongs to another Sheridan family. Probably the only way to find those ancestors is to go to the church in Ireland that has those records. Now I had been in touch with Katherine Sheridan, widow of Daniel Sheridan, but she said her in-law Sheridans don't seem to know anything. So, Denis had a brother named William? I did not know that, nor did I know of any siblings. I only know he was married to Bridget Brogan and had about 10 children, one of which immigrated to the United States by way of Scotland (Patrick). Our history starts with him here in 1890. How do you know that this Denis Sheridan is related to your William? I would love to hear all about it. Thank you so much for reaching out.

~ Irene Sheridan

Saturday 2nd May 2020 01:59AM

Hi Irene,

Great to hear from you.

I did my (Craig Hawke) Ancestry DNA test and found a 2nd cousin in Sam Sheridan (also in Australia) who said her known ancestor was Daniel Sheridan (bn 1863, Creeslough, County Donegal).

This intrigued me as my wife Tracy Sheridan ancestors come from Rathmullan, which is relatively close to Creeslough. Got me intrigued to want to know if my wife and I had the same ancestors !!

I've done some research through Ancestry.com and have a basic spreadsheet which goes back to James Sheridan (bn 1780) based upon some assumptions.

My Daniel Sheridan (bn 1863 n Creeslough) migrated to Sydney in 1884. His marriage details has his parents William and Mary.

I couldn't find any record of Daniel being born in Ireland, or emigrating. However I found your Denis Sheridan born in Creeslough, and then discovered his brother William, bn 1848. The 1851 Census has William as a 3 year old living with siblings (your Denis) and also Patrick. John. Rose, Bridget.

If this William is Daniel's father, then it's interesting as William was only 15 years old !. However, interestingly William's mother was Mary Dennis. I wonder whether Daniel was born out of wedlock and raised by his grandmother Mary.

Other option is there's another William Sheridan born around 1830 that I can't find.

Details I have on Denis Sheridan (1831 - 1909) is he married Catherine McFadden and had children Patrick (bn 1859), Anne (bn 1866) and Barney (bn 1872).

I think William and Denis's father was James Sheridan (bn 1801 in Killygarvan), 2nd marriage was to Mary Dennis in 1840.

This James' father was also a James Sheridan (bn 1780), wife Mary Reilley.

Anyway, I can email you spreadsheet (my best email is c.hawke@tcfsp.com.au ).

It would be great if I could lock in a connection between Daniel and this WIlliam.

All the best

Craig

craigh

Sunday 3rd May 2020 04:10AM

Hi again

I just had a look at the Denis Sheridan - Bridget Brogan family tree on Ancestry.com, and noticed they have a "Daniel Sheridan (bn 1862)" as the first child of Denis & Bridget.

That's interesting and confusing. Daniel's marriage details in Australia said his parents were "William and Mary". However, that would have made Willian only 15 years old when Daniel was born.

Two options ?? My original idea of William was his father (out of wed lock) and maybe Denis and Bridget raised him.

Second option, Daniel was Denis & Bridget's child but said William & Mary were his parents for some reason.

The Sheridans here in Sydney said that the children went overseas - Daniel to Australia and others to America, which seems to suggest that Daniel may have been raised by Denis & Bridget.

Also when you say Katherine was Daniel's widow. Which Daniel was this - born in what year ?

Becoming more interesting.

Looking forward to hearing from you

All the best

Craig

craigh

Sunday 3rd May 2020 07:04AM

Hi Craig, Sorry for the confusion. The thing that frustrates me the most when doing genealogy (especially in Ireland) is that families named their children with the same names over and over. Granted, these kids were called by nicknames at home to differenciate them from their parents, grandparents, cousins, etc., but we don't always know those nicknames. Anyway, I think the best way to do this is follow Denis' son Daniel. Our Daniel did not go to Australia as far as I know. He stayed in and around Cresslough and married Rose Gillespie.I've seen the records of the birth of some of their children in Ireland. Your William may have been a brother of Denis, but are you sure it is the Denis that was married to Bridget Brogan? Our Denis may not have been born exactly in Cresslough, but that's where his children were born, so he has history there. Again, because there were so many people with the same names it is hard to sort them out, even if the dates match. The only way to know for certain is to contact the church where the records are kept. The Katherine Sheridan I mentioned before is the widow of Daniel Sheridan, whose father was Denis, and his father was Daniel (married to Rose Gillespie). Katherine is probably in her late seventies or early eighties now. I met her son (who I would say was is his 30's) when I was in Ireland last, maybe 10 years ago. I'll try to find Katherine's e-mail address and send it to you. I suspect that your William may be from a different branch of Sheridan's. I'll be in touch.

~ Irene

Sunday 3rd May 2020 04:28PM

Hi Irene

Thanks for your email. After I posted, I saw your family tree with your Daniel (who married Rose) which is impressive.

I now think I made a mistake with the link between your Denis and the William Sheridan (bn 1848).

I thought youir Daniel Sheridan (born 1863, Creeslough) was our Daniel Sheridan and therefore William (bn 1848) and your Denis both lived in Creeslough and must have been brothers.

Yes, it makes life hard when they all seemed to use the same first names !

All the best,

Craig

craigh

Sunday 3rd May 2020 10:56PM

Hi Irene

You prompted me to go back to the beginning and Daniel Sheridan who emigrated to Australia in 1884.

I found Andrew Sheridan (bn 1864 in Drumesan, Creeslough, County Donegal) and Patrick Sheridan (bn 1866, also Drumesan) on the ship "Venice". Their sponsor was William Sheridan from Orange.

I'm wondering if this Andrew is my Daniel. Maybe changed name or used middle name. Daniel ended up in Orange (country New South Wales, west of Sydney) where he managed a hotel, when he married his second wife.

Interestingly, i found Patrick Sheridan (bn 1866) on a family tree for Manus Sheridan (bn 1827, lived and had chiildren including a Patrick in Drumsean, and his wife was Unity McFadden - bn 1833 - wasn't youir Denis married to a McFadden ?). I think some of Manus (bn 1827) children emigrated, I recall seeing somewhere that Catherine died in USA.

Manus (bn 1827) parents were Manus Sheridan (bn 1772) and Mary McGinty.

All the best

Craig

craigh

Monday 4th May 2020 09:34PM

Hi Craig, I've seen Manus before, but have my doubts about him being my Sheridan family's ancestor. Manus and Unity don't seem to fit with Denis, Daniel, Mary, Elizabeth, Patrick, John, Annie, Bridget, Suzannah, Ellen, Margaret, Rose, etc. Manus and Unity don't sound like Catholic names. Anyway, may I ask where you found your info on William and the 1851 census? I can only get the 1901 and 1911 census'. Our branch of the Creeslough Sheridan's live in Ballyboe. I'll have to research to see where that is in relation to Drumesan. I get confused with townlands and parishes, but get the counties.Creeslough must be an area as well as a village. I find that Ancestry is limited with their Irish info. I had better luck with direct Irish sites like Irishroots and another I can't remember the name of right now. There was a Donegal website that had the birth records of Daniel's and Rose's children, but I lost that info when my computer crashed. Griffiths Valuation listed Denis as a farmer living on rented land. As far as the Sheridan's and McFadden's go, Creeslough is a small place, and families were large, so eventually everybody married somebody from each family in the village. I read somewhere that the Sheridan's originated in Cavan, but I have not found any family coming from there in the recent past. I know I'm all over the place here, but I'm excited to hear from a fellow searcher!

Monday 4th May 2020 10:38PM

Hi Irene

I can get info on the 1841 and 1851 Census. There is data there but I think it's posted from the late 1800's. Origianl documents were destroyed in the fires, but they did some restoring to have data on people applying for old age pension. Hence, the name in the records is for "applicant". In this case in 1851, William was only 3 years old (as was born in 1848) but is listed as the "applicant" as he was the one applying for the pension.

William's link is https://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=70792&h=776…

Drumeasan is to the east of Ballyboe. It goes Ballyboe, Dunfanaghy, Creeslough then Drumeasan.

I may (possibly) have a breakthrough with our Daniel.

We know our Daniel was born in Creeslough and emigrated to Sydney in 1884

There were two Sheridans travelling on the SS “Gulf of Venice” in 1884 which arrived in Sydney early 1885 :

Andrew Sheridan : 20 yo (so bn 1864) labourer from Drumeasan, Creeslough
Patrick Sheridan : 18 yo (so bn 1866) – also labourer from Drumeasan, Creeslough

More importantly, their sponsor on the form is William Sheridan from Orange.

We know that Daniel ended up working in a hotel in Orange before moving to Wellington.

The challenge of course is his name is "Andrew" not "Daniel".

All the best

Craig

craigh

Tuesday 5th May 2020 08:43AM

Hi Irene, I found Manus Sheridan (also named Mandy - now that's an unusal name for a bloke !) in 1901 and 1911 Census and his religion (and his family) is Roman Catholic. I'm wondering if Manus and your Denis share an ancestor ? Craig

craigh

Wednesday 6th May 2020 01:17PM

Hi Craig, So, been looking over the 1851 census you provided me (thank you). Learned something new to me - Owen is John! Didn't know that. Never looked for Sheridan's in Drumeasan. Most of the information I have is from the diocese of Raphoe, parish of Clondahorkey, and Dunfanaghy,all north of Creeslough. Although, Owen Sheridan and Elizabeth Green are compelling with their familiarly named children, I'm not sure they are my Sheridan branch. Their son, Denis, in the census is 24 years old. I know that my Denis was born in 1830, not 1827, because I have the death record of 1900, age 70.Granted, people didn't seem to care about birth dates as they do today. They only noted the month and year of death on headstones on graves. Also, people were born at home, and it was up to the father to record the birth at the church. Since most ordinary people at this time and in this place were illiterate, mistakes might have been made as to when someone was actually born, by days, but not by years.

Back to William. Do you think that this little William Sheridan, son of Owen and Elizabeth Green, is the sponsor of Andrew and Patrick? It would make him 36 years old, logically too young to be the father of these two young men, but maybe a uncle? William had two much older brothers according to that census record. It could be that Daniel, evidently not from this family, came over at a different time, alone. I sure wish that the Sheridans named their kids Oliver, George, and Fred, instead of Denis, Patrick, and Daniel!

Just as an aside - when you were mulling over the idea that William may have been illegitimate, only the mother would have been recorded, rarely the father. So, if William had an illigitimate child (Daniel), that child would have the mother's surname, not William's.

Keep on digging. The truth is out there!

Wednesday 6th May 2020 03:49PM

Hi Irene

Thanks for your message, Always good to hear from you.

Yes, I only recently made connection that Owen and John came from each other. Also discovered that Neil was an abbreviation of "Cornelius" - now that 's a great first name ! Some of my ancestors on the Hawke line were called "Russell" - glad that tradition didn't pass down the line (hope you don't have any Russells in your immediate family ????).

I think the William Sheridan (bn 1848) idea was wrong, not my / our ancestor. I jumped on that as I found youe Sheridans born in Creeslough around 1863 and thought that must be because the fathers were living in same place at that time and likely brothers. I now realise the WIlliam (bn 1848) is from another line, as they live at Rathmullan which is a bit further east of Creeslough.

So I've jettisoned (there's a great action word) the idea that William (bn 1848) is my line.

I now think that the Patrick Sheridan (bn about 1866 from Drumeasan, Creeslough who was on the "Gulf of Venice" that arrived in Sydney in 1885) was the Patrick Sheridan (bn 1864 in Drumeasan, son of Manus Sheridan, bn 1827).

I suspect (this sounds like that board game "Clue" / "Cluedo" - "I suspect Mrs White of killing Professor Plum in the library with the revolver" - that probably means nothing to you if you didn't grow up playing that game) that Patrick's ship companion Andrew (bn about 1864 from Drumeasan, Creeslough) could be my Daniel (bn 1863 in Creeslough).

He's right age, born in Creeslough. We know Daniel emigrated to Sydney in 1884 and that some of his siblings emigrated to Sydney and some to America (and I can see that's what happended to Manus' children).

I can't find any Andrew Sheridan (bn abt 1863) who were baptised in Ireland, nor were married or died in Australia. It makes me think he used a different name on the ship passenger lists. There isn't a male Sheridan (bn 1863) in Manus' family tree which is a concern. Made me wonder if he could have been one of Denis's children ?? Maybe Manus (bn 1827) and youir Denis were brothers and so having Daniel / Andrew and Patrick travel together to Australia made sense.

Yes, I'll keep digging !!

All the best

Craig

craigh

Wednesday 6th May 2020 09:34PM

Also, I have a spreadsheet with information on the Sheridans.

The Dropbox link to this spreadsheet is https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/da0d8d05phv84lxcojw19/Sam-Sheridan_Doneg…

I think if you enter that into your web browser you can access the spreadsheet.

Alternatively, I can email it to you

All the best,

Craig

craigh

Wednesday 6th May 2020 09:37PM

Hi again, just noticed a Manus Sheridan paid land tithe tax in 1834 for property in Ballyboe (which you mentioned is where your Sheridans are). I'm thinking this is the Manus born 1772. I'm wondering if Manus and Denis were brothers ???

craigh

Thursday 7th May 2020 05:19AM

Denis was born in 1830. Manus could have been his father, but he would have been 62, so more likely this Manus is his grandfather? Wasn't there a Manus junior? Manus keeps coming up in the records, but he and Unity seem so atypical. So, yesterday I was complaining about there being too many of the same names in the family, and now I'm complaining that Manus and Unity are too different! Go figure?!! Denis is as far back as we can go for certain. Everything else is speculation and guessing. I think that after this pandemic has abated and we are almost back to normal, I will try to contact the church directly.Can't hurt! It's a shame so many records are lost.

Thursday 7th May 2020 03:59PM

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Name: Denis Sheridan Date of Death:14-May-1900 Age:70 Parish / District:DUNFANAGHY Address:Ballyboes County:Co. Donegal Status:Denomination:Civil Record Sex:Male Occupation:FARMER Parish:County:Address:Ballyboes

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Informant Name:Bridget Sheridan: Relationship:Widow Notes:

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Thursday 7th May 2020 05:08PM

Someone else has a family tree on Ancestry.com which includes your Denis

https://www.ancestry.com.au/family-tree/tree/36666429/family/familyview…

They're related through Patrick Sheridan (bn 1861, parents Denis and Catherine)

This tree has Denis (bn 1831), William (bn 1848), John , Rose, Bridget all siblings to their father James Sheridan (bn 1801) who married Mary Dennis.

Not sure if this is speculation or evidence-based

craigh

Thursday 7th May 2020 10:28PM

Hi Craig, Thanks for the link, but sorry to say these are not my Sheridans. Denis (b.1830) was married to Bridget Brogan (b.1841). Patrick (b.1855) is Denis' son who immigrated to the US after his wife died in Scotland. James and Mary Dennis belong to someone else.

Thursday 7th May 2020 10:55PM

Hi Irene

Case solved !

I ordered the marriage certificate of Daniel Sheridan (bn 1863 in Drumeasan, County Donegal) which records his parents as James Sheridan and Frances (Fanny) Rodden.
I couldn't find any baptism records for this.

It is likely that he is the "Andrew Sheridan" on the ship "Gulf of Venice" that travelled from England to Sydney arriving February, 1885, as Daniel's story is he emigrated to Australia in 1884. Not sure why his name is listed as Andrew.

Daniel's father (James) and uncle (Manus) had two families living in the small townland of Drumeasan, just south-east of Creeslough. A number of their children emigrated to America and Australia.

Thanks for your suggestions.

All the best

Craig

craigh

Wednesday 13th May 2020 09:20PM

Good for you! I saw the census with James and Fanny from 1901. And Manus, jr. He must be the son of Manus senior listed in Griffins Valuation, and James is his brother. Andrew/Daniel was

long gone by then. Who is William, son of Owen, and how are they related to James and Manus? Wonder if they were connected with my Sheridan family somewhere in the past. I guess

there just aren't enough records available to find the answers for the present.

It was a pleasure hunting with you. Wish you happy hunting for the future.

~ Irene Sheridan

Wednesday 13th May 2020 10:39PM

Thanks Irene, sorry, I thinki made a mistake introducing William Sheridan (father owen(. These Sheridan’s were from Rathmullan, and unlikely to be closely related to your Denis (although may be related if go back far enough ???) all the best, craig

craigh

Thursday 14th May 2020 10:41AM

I descend from Daniel Sheridan 1826-1897 born in Donegal died Dumbarton,Scotland.Through Ancestry.com I have a DNA match to a Patrick Duffy who lives in Florida.His ancestral line goes back to a Patrick Duffy(1847-1935) who married Mary Sheridan(1861-1942) daughter of Denis Sheridan(1830-1900) & Bridgit Brogan.Dennis was born in Ballyboe,Clondahorky,Donegal.Patrick Duffy from Florida has an online tree where he records Daniel Sheridan as the father of the above Denis.The death record for my ancestor Daniel Sheridan 1826-1897 records his parents as Daniel Sheridan & Mary Kelly.Daniel Sheridan 1826-1897 left Ireland for Glasgow ca 1847 apparently he was one step ahead of the law as he was caught poaching in the King's Waters.One of his sons was named Denis.Tax records for 1834 shows a Daniel Sheridan living Ballyboe,Clondahorky.

Daniel Lee in Canada

Dan Lee

Wednesday 9th December 2020 11:15PM

Hi Daniel Lee in Canada! Yes, I am aware of Patrick Duffy in Florida. He is related to my Sheridan family by way of Mary Sheridan. Patrick is one very serious Duffy family tree builder!! So, Mary was my husband's great-grand aunt. In other words, she was my husband's great-grandfather's sister.Mary Kelly does not sound familiar to me, but I'll have to go look on Ancestry. Do I understand you correctly when you say Daniel was the father of Denis Sheridan? My Denis Sheridan was born 1830, so that's not right. Your Daniel sounds like an interesting charactor! It's fun to have a rouge in the family! I'll take a look at my Ancestry record and get back to you. Nice meeting you, Daniel!

Regards,

~Irene Sheridan

Isheridan

Thursday 10th December 2020 02:56AM

Thanks for contacting me Irene ! I have no proof that the father of Denis Sheridan 1830-1900 who married Bridgit Brogan was Daniel Sheridan I was relaying this info from the Ancestry Tree of Patrick Duffy. Thank you Irene for offering to do a lookup for me it is deeply appreciated.

Regards Dan Lee

Dan Lee

Thursday 10th December 2020 08:23PM

Hi Dan,

So, I did find a Daniel Sheridan, born 1790, listed as the father of Denis Sheridan, born 1830-1900. He was a little bit of a bad boy. Was charged with stealing timber in 1850, when he was 60 years old. Was sentenced to one month inprosonment, but that was reduced to one week These were hard times for the Irish poor (and who wasn't poor?).Denis had a son named Daniel, born 1852-1936..In December 1888 he was found guilty of drunkeness and fined 1 shilling. This Daniel also had a son named Daniel, born 1898. None of these dates match up with your Daniel. And there is no Mary Kelly listed anywhere. One of the big frustrations I have when doing Irish genealogy is that people have the same names over and over. If I don't write down the information as I find it, I get so confused because the are so many Johns, Patricks, Joseph, Daniels, Denis', and so forth. Always the same names in every generation. I understand why, but come on!!! It doesn't make it easy for those of us looking for them!

So, what I'm thinking is that your Daniel is from another branch of the Sheridans from Creeslogh, or there abouts. You should contact Patrick Duffy. He probably could shed more light on this, and you are related. Now that I'm thinking about it, your Daniel could have been the brother of Denis, born 1830. They are only 4 years a part. Since there is no entry for Denis' mother, she very well may have been Mary Kelly. Talk to Pat Duffy. If anybody knows, he would. Keep digging!

Best of luck. If you find out anything, please let me know. Thanks!

~Irene

Isheridan

Thursday 10th December 2020 10:30PM

Irene,I thank you very much for helping me.I was wondering if you found any other children born to Daniel Sheridan besides Denis in 1830.You mentioned you found a Daniel Sheridan born 1790 was he born in the Cresslough area....did you notice his parents names ? Thanks again !

Dan Lee

Friday 11th December 2020 01:06AM

Denis Sheridan 1830 : Short Biography

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