Baptism of Bridget Lewis

Jennifer:

Is it possible that Bridget had a twin sister Elizabeth?  I read the entry to say Bridget and Elizabeth of John Lewis and Anne ( last name not sure)

Almost all baptismal records only showed the main given name. Middle names were not shown.

The NLI  site is very reliable. It has the actual parish registers.

Let me know what questions you have.

Roger McDonnell

Is Ann's surname Davis?

Hello Roger

Thank you so much for taking a look at this. I completely overlooked the second line of the entry. We know very litttle about Bridget and her father so the possibility of twins is entirely new. There has to be a good chance this entry is my family member. The year (1834) and the location, Fethead, Tipperary, are aligned with the 1851 census information even accounting for the fact that the census can be incorrect at times.

Do you know what the remaining three words are in the second line after the surname of Anne? I can't decifer the next word but the last two are pro prima meaning for the first translated. Does this mean the twins Bridget & Elizabeth are the first born children of John & Anne Lewis? 

Hello Ann

I don't know if Ann's surname is Davis. The nformation my family has only goes back as far as Bridget. She moved to England at a young age, probably with her family because John Lewis was a private in the 67th regiment. Bridget married Thomas Crimmins when she was 16 and, within a couple of years, emigrated to New Zealand.

Jennifer

Jennifer:

I did not pickup that there were four lines to the entry. The second/third lines has the sponsors for Bridget and the fourth line has the sponsors for Elizabeth. sp pro forma sponsors for the first  sp pro secunda  sponsors for the second.

Roger

Hi Roger

I obviously didn't pick up on that either. Thank you very much. This gives me more clues to keep working out this part of the family tree.

Jennifer

Hi Jennifer, we could be related and I hope this reaches you.

I, like you, am interested in John Vincent Lewis the Private who joined the 67th Regiment,

I believe Bridget had a younger brother also named John. John (junior) ended up in Scotland and that's who I'm connected too.

On the 1851 census document you had you'll notice a 13 year old John Lewis on the same page as Bridget. I think he is Bridget's brother. His parents are recorded as 'Loveday' not 'Lewis' and I don't think it's an error because 13 year old John is 'Lewis'. Could it mean that John Vincent died in service and his wife remarried another soldier named 'Loveday'?

John junior was born in England while John Vincent was posted to a barracks in Kent, the same area where Bridget married Thomas Crimmons. The family must have left Ireland by and John enlisted by 1838. I wonder if it was common that the whole family up and moved to military barracks? 

The problem here is that John's mother would be 'Mary'. It does appear to be 'Ann' recorded on the Baptism record ie could be different mothers or a completely different Bridget. My research has John Vincent Lewis the soldier married to a Mary Naughton and I noticed that on the baptism record one of the sponsors is a Ann Naughton - could that mean Ann died and John remarried and joined up?

I've been trying to search recruitment records as I'm aware the 67th was based in Ireland at various stages and had approval to recruit while there. Bridget was born in Ireland, John in England therefore it puts the enlisted around 1834 - 1838.

My email is "dlewis01@optusnet.com.au" if you'll like to reach out. Like you I've hit a brick wall.

I would be keen to see if anyone has any suggestions on trying to clarify this. Ive looked at military records and know John Vincent was a 'pensioner ' and appears deceased by 1851. 

Regards

Hello David

Thank you for your note. It is very interesting that Bridget's father was John Vincent Lewis. She gave two sons a middle name of Vincent. I need a bit of time to think about what you wrote. At the moment the Anna/Mary wife of John Lewis conundrum looks challenging but I want to look at it further. I have a cousin, a great grand child of Bridget, who was in the New Zealand military and has researched the army side of John Lewis's life. I will get him involved as well, although at the moment he and many others are dealing with a dreadful cyclone over New Zealand. I will reply back to your email.

Best wishes, Jennifer

Thanks Jennifer,

I got excited and managed to muddle my "John's" up.

So I have John Lewis as the Private in the 67th Regiment and his son is John Vincent Lewis born in 1837 at Brompton Barracks a  few years after Bridget. Sorry about that.

John Vincent Lewis went to Scotland and had a family and one of his descendants migrated to Australia where I am. On John Vincent Lewis' marriage certificate,  John the soldier is already deceased & that was 1864. 

I also assumed that John the soldier enlisted and then went to Kent with the 67th but of course if he enlisted in Ireland he could have been stationed there for some time before going to Kent so he could have enlisted much earlier.

The use of of 'vincent' name is too much of a co-incidence isn't it.

The person you refer to isn't Tom is it? I've sent him a message via ancestry.

Thanks 

David