Bridget murray barbara mccartney

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Hello Mandy,

I am not related but at the free irishgenealogy.ie website I managed to uncover the civil registration birth record for Barbara Anne Murray, showing she was born in a location called “Kitchen Cove,” County Cork, on 28 April 1864. Her father is Peter Murray, a Ship Carpenter whose residence was Kitchen Cove. Barbara’s mother is Bridget Murray, formerly McKenna. Bridget, whose residence is also Kitchen Cove, reported the birth to the local registrar, J.F. Malone, who recorded the birth in the Cork Registration District on 19 May 1864. Barbara Anne’s birth is attached to this reply and is Number 124 in the birth register.

I now wanted to see if I could find Barbara’s baptism record, though at this early point in the research I didn’t know what religion her family was, and I hadn’t yet come across your Graham-Fleming Family Tree submission which I uncovered at Ancstey.com after I found most of the information which follows in this reply.

You may already have a lot of the information I found, but I think is it good to have another resource look for the same records for confirmation.

I looked for Barbara’s baptism transcription at the Find My Past (FMP) website. FMP is basically a subscription website with the exception that it does not charge to look for Catholic baptism, marriage, and burial/death records for parishes with available registers, all across all 32 counties of Ireland, which also includes what today is the country of Northern Ireland.

I found Barbara Anne Murray’s baptism transcription at the FMP website showing she was baptized in the Cobh Parish, County Cork, on 1 May 1864. The transcription further shows that her father was Peter Murray and her mother Bridget “McKennan,” rather than McKenna. You can access Barbara’s baptism transcription at: https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F1375450

Attached to the transcription is a link that will take you to a copy of the original Cobh Parish register held by the National Library of Ireland where Barbara’s baptism is recorded. The register can be accessed at the following National Library of Ireland website link: https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633023#page/9/mode/1up

There are two facing pages to the baptism register. You can enlarge the page by means of round icons in the upper center/ right of the screen. The icons are white with green backgrounds. You can also access the full-screen function by clicking on the last icon on the right with the two arrows pointing northeast and southwest.

Barbara’s baptism is on the left-hand register page, 5th entry down from the top. Her mother’s maiden name looks like McKenna, rather than McKennan, as is recorded in the transcription you saw earlier. It is very difficult to read the names of the sponsors or godparents. It looks like their names could be Richard Green and Mary Deary, but I could be wrong about that.

I was hoping that the baptism also recorded the residence of the Murray family as the birth record for Barbara did. I found a reference for a Kitchen Cove near Akhakista, Dunmanus Bay, Sheepshead Peninsula, at the Yachtingmonthly online magazine. See the following article and map at:
https://www.yachtingmonthly.com/cruising-guides/anchorages-kitchen-cove…

But this location is in West Cork, is almost 100 miles from Cobh. (As an aside, some records spell Cobh as Cove, and in other records, especially in ships’ passenger list records, it is also known as Queenstown.).

I didn’t think it made sense that Barbara was baptized in Cobh after having been born in Kitchen Cove is West Cork, and so I did some more research and found a facebook entry by Marita Foster, who writes that she came across a poem called “Kitchen Cove, Queenstown.” Marita further writes that Kitchen Cove is located below the Titanic Memorial Park in Cobh. Cobh was also called Queenstown. You can read her full facebook entry as well as the poem at: https://is.gd/O8tGYT

You can view the location of the Titanic Memorial in Cobh, just south of St. Coleman’s Cathedral at the following Google Link: https://is.gd/NnW8ZO

Speaking of St. Coleman’s Cathedral in Cobh, Barbara would not have been baptized in this church structure, as construction did not begin on the church until 1868, according to the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage/Buildings of Ireland website. The building of the cathedral was completed by 1919. To read about the architectural details of the cathedral, and to also view a slide show of the cathedral, go to the Buildings of Ireland website link at: https://is.gd/9kRkWH

But, St. Coleman’s would have been constructed on the site or approximate site of a former R.C. Chapel in Cobh/Cove/Queenstown, as I found the R.C. Chapel on an Ordnance Survey Map of Cove at the GeoHive website. The map is from the 1837 to 1842 time period and can be viewed at the following GeoHive link:
https://bit.ly/3eiabuB

The R.C. Chapel is in the center of the map, just to the right of the red marker line, and below the Admiralty House and Alta Villa. This is the church where Barbara was baptized.

Unfortunately, the map does not show the location of Kitchen Cove, as far as I could determine.

Your information shows that Peter and Bridget Murray also had a daughter named Norah. I found a baptism transcription at the FMP website for a Nora Maria Murray, who was baptized in Cobh on 25 May 1866. Her father is Peter Murray. Her mother is Bridget Murray. Murray may not have been Bridget’s maiden. She may be your Norah Murray’s mother.

See the transcription at: https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F1376085

To access a copy of Norah Maria Murray’s original baptism record, go to the National Library of Ireland website link at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633023#page/19/mode/1up

Norah’s baptism is on the left-hand page, 18th entry down from the top of the register. The first name of Norah’s godfather is Michael. I couldn’t tell what his last name was. The first name of the godmother is Mary, but I couldn’t tell what her last name was either.

I didn’t uncover the baptisms of any more children of a father named Peter Murray or a mother named Bridget McKenna or Bridget Murray anywhere in Cork, Ireland for the 1860s, 1870s, and 1880s.

I now wanted to see if I could find Norah Maria Murray’s civil registration birth record at the irishgenealogy.ie website. I didn’t find her birth record, which is unfortunate as I wanted to know if the family were still living in Cobh, or in nearby Farsid, Aghada. The alternate spelling for Farsid is Farside.

The next search involved looking for the marriage of Peter Murray and Bridget McKenna. I surmised they were likely married sometime between 1860 and 1864. If they married before 1864 there would not be a civil marriage record for them, as civil registration of births, marriages, and deaths for all religious denominations commenced in Ireland in 1864, with the exception that civil marriages and Protestant marriages were recorded by the government beginning in 1864.

I went to the FMP website again and found two marriage transcriptions for Peter Murray and Bridget McKenna. One transcription has the marriage taking place in the Cobh (Queenstown) Catholic Parish on 5 July 1863, while the other transcription has the marriage occurring on 6 July 1863. In both transcriptions Bridget’s maiden name is spelled, “McKennah.” See the transcriptions at the following FMP links:
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FMAR%2F0281265%2F1
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FMAR%2F0281319%2F1

A copy of the original Cobh Catholic Church marriage record is the first entry under the July heading on the right-hand register page at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633020#page/100/mode/1up

The marriage actually took place on July 5. Bridget’s maiden name is spelled “McKennah, as transcribed by FMP.” The name of one of the witnesses to the marriage was Richd (Richard) Green. The second witness is Marg (Margaret) Heffernan.

Peter and Bridget and their children must have moved to Farsid sometime after the birth of their daughter Barbara (and perhaps Norah) in 1866, as Farsid is located in the Catholic Parish of Aghada, as well as the Civil Parish of Aghada.

I next wanted to see if I could find the individual baptism transcriptions at the FMP website for the baptisms of Peter Murray and Bridget McKenna(h) in either the Cobh and or Aghada Catholic Parish registers. According to the National Library of Ireland baptisms in the Cobh Catholic Parish begin in 1812, while marriage are available from 10 March 1815. See: https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0036

Aghada Catholic Parish baptisms commence on 1 January 1815, while marriages begin on 11 May 1838. See: https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0003

I didn’t find the baptisms for Peter or Bridget in the registers of either parish.

In any event you would need to know the names of their parents to see if baptism records exist for Peter Murray and Bridget McKenna. There is the possibility that their parishes of birth do not go back far enough in time to have recorded their individual baptisms.

THE MARRIAGE OF ANDREW MCCARTNEY AND BARBARA MURRAY

Andrew and Barbara were not married in church but in the Cork City Registrar’s Office on 16 June 1892. At the time of marriage both Andrew and Barbara were of “Full” age. Andrew was a bachelor and Barbara a spinster when they married, meaning they had not been married before. Andrew’s occupation at the time of marriage is abbreviated as, “Sevth R.A,” which stands for “7th Royal Artillary.” His residence at the time of marriage was “Fort Westmorland, Spike Island, County of Cork. His father is Henry McCartney, who was a Shoemaker.

At the time of marriage Barbara was employed as a, “Shop Assistant.” Her residence at the time of marriage was “Farside: Aghada, County of Cork.” Her father is Peter Murray, a Publican. I could not make out the full names of one of the witnesses, though the name of one includes the initial N. The second witness looks like W.B. Chiddick.

The marriage record is attached to this reply and is the first entry in the marriage register.

Because the marriage took place in a registrar’s office, I am wondering if Andrew was Protestant, because it would have been against her religion for Barbara to marry in a Protestant Church.

To view the Westmorland Fort, Spike Island on an ordnance Survey map from the 1837 to 1842 time period, go to the GeoHive website link at: https://bit.ly/37NvxO1

For more information about Fort Westmorland and Spike Island go to the following links:
http://www.starforts.com/westmoreland.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spike_Island,_County_Cork

I now wanted to look for Andrew and Barbara McCartney in the 1901 census, to see where they were living and if they had any children or relatives in the household with them. I found 33 year old Barbara McCartney who was married and the head of the household in the 1901 census. The census shows she was the resident of “a house 8 in Farside (Rostillan, Cork).” House 8 does not refer to the street number of her house, but to the number of the census schedule known as “Form B.” Her occupation is listed as, “Income from Husband.” She is also shown to have been born in County Cork, and that she could read and write. In the household with her are 4 of her children, all born in County Cork. The children are 7 year old Bridget, who is a scholar (student); 5 year old David, also a scholar; 3 year old Andrew; and 1 year old Dorothy. The 1901 census transcription for the McCartney household can be viewed at the National Archives of Ireland link at:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Rostillan/Farside…

When the census downloads, make sure to click on, “Show all information,” to view the full census page.”

You can also access a copy of the original 1901 census for Barbara and her children at the National Archives link at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000554906/

I looked for Barbara’s husband Andrew in the 1901 census to see if he was stationed in another location in Ireland, as he may have still been in the royal artillery, but I didn’t find him.

I also found Barbara’s mother, Bridget Murray, in the 1901 census in house 7, Farside, which may have been next door to the McCartney household. The census shows that Bridget is a 59 year old widow and a “Publican,” who was Roman Catholic and who was born in County Cork. She could also read and write.

In the household with her is her 30 year old daughter, Norah Petty Johns, who is shown to be married but whose husband is not in the household. Also in the household is Norah’s 4 year old daughter Bridget, born in County Cork. You can view the 1901 census transcription of the Murray household at the National Archives of Ireland link at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Rostillan/Farside…

A copy of the original 1901 census for the Bridget Murray household can be viewed at: www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000554905/

The 1901 census shows the Murray and McCartney households were located in Farside, Rostillan. To see “Farsid” and “Rostellan” on what is known as an Ordnance Survey Cassini Map with no specific date of publication, go to the GeoHive website link at: https://bit.ly/3hO3tyE

For Google Map of the Aghada-Farsid-Rostellan area of County Cork, see: https://is.gd/zhYIZM

THE BIRTHS OF THE CHILDREN OF ANDREW MCCARTNEY AND BARBARA MURRAY

The oldest child in the household of Bridget McCartney in the 1901 census is 7 year old Bridget. Her age of 7 places her year of birth circa 1894. I looked for Bridget’s birth record at the irishgenealogy.ie website and found it. Bridget Anne McCartney was born in Farsid on 29 February 1894. Her father is Andrew McCartney, whose residence is Farsid and whose occupation is “Sergeant R.A.” The R.A. stands for Royal Artillery. Bridget’s mother is Barbara McCartney, formerly Murray. The person who was present at the birth and who reported the birth to the local registrar was Ellen Barry of Farsid. Ellen may have been the midwife who delivered Bridget.

Bridget’s birth was recorded in the Midelton (also spelled Middleton) Registration District by the Registrar, R.B. Travers. Her birth record is attached to this reply and is Number 267 in the birth register.

The 1901 census shows that David McCartney was 5 years old. He was born in Farsid on 30 December 1895. His father is Andrew McCartney of Farsid. Andrew is a Sergeant in the R.A. David’s mother is Bridget McCarthy, formerly Murray. Once again, Ellen Barry of Farsid was present at the birth and reported the birth to the local registrar, R.B. Travers, who recorded the birth in the Midelton Registration District on 1 February 1896. David’s birth is Number 443 in the attached birth register.

In the 1901 census Andrew McCartney is shown to be 3 years old. I looked for his birth record at the irishgenealogy.ie website but didn’t find it. I didn’t find find it initially because I later learned that he was recorded as Andrew “McCarthy,” rather than McCartney, in the birth record.

Andrew was born in Farsid on 7 April 1898. His father is Andrew whose residence is Farsid. Andrew’s occupation is Sergeant Major in the R.A. The mother is Barbara McCarthy, formerly Murray. Ellen Bride of Farsid was present at the birth and reported the birth to the local registrar, R.B. Travers, who recorded the birth in the Midelton Registration District on 2 May 1898. Andrew’s birth is Number 138, which is the first birth recorded in the attached register.

The youngest child in the McCartney household in the 1901 census is 1 year old Dorothy.

Dorothy would have been born in 1900 based on her age in the census, but I did not find a birth record for her. Once again I had to do a little more research at irishgenealogy.ie to see if I could find her under an alternative surname, but didn’t find her birth record. I then looked for her without a first name and finally uncovered her birth record under the name of Nora Maria McCartney. She was born in “Farside” on 23 October 1900. Her father is Andrew McCartney, a Sergeant Major in the R.A. residing in “Newcastle Natal.” This is a reference to a location in South Africa where the British had a depot during the first and second Boer Wars. Andrew would have been engaged in the Second Boer war of 1899 to 1902. See the Wikipedia article at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War

I notice that at your Graham-Fleming Family Tree at Ancestry, that you located the death record for Norah McCartney, who died 11 weeks after she was born. She died on January 14, 1901.

I also notice you found the Scots records for the McCartney family as well as Andrew’s service records, which I had also located a few days ago. From what I gather from his service records, Andrew enlisted twice. Once in the 1885 at Londondery and again during the First World War.

In his first enlistment at 19 years old in 1885 he wrote that he was from Ballymena, Parish of Ahoghill, County Antrim.

In his second enlistment at 49 years old in 1915, he was living in 10 Ballom Street, Leith, Scotland. At the time he enlisted he was a police constable. His enlistment papers confirm that his wife was Barbara Murray.

Concerning Andrew McCartney: His marriage record shows his father was Henry. I looked for his birth and baptism records circa 1865-1868, but did not find them.

THE BIRTH OF BRIDGET PETTY JOHNS

The 1901 census also shows that in the household with Bridget Murray is her daughter Norah Petty Johns and Nora’s daughter, 4 year old Bridget Petty Johns. I found Bridget Elizabeth’s birth record at irishgenealogy.ie which shows she was born in Farsid on 9 November 1896. Her father is Charles Pety-Johns, a Seaman living in Farsid. Her mother is “Honora Pety-Johns, formerly Murray. Ellen Barry was present at the birth and reported the birth to the registrar, R.B. Jarvis, who recorded the birth in the Midleton Registration District on 20 January 1897. Bridget’s birth is at Number 11 in the attached birth register.

This was the third birth where Ellen Barry was present at a birth, and so I wanted to see if Ellen was living near the Murray and Pety-John families in Farsid by going back to the 1901 census. I found that Ellen and her family were living nearby in house 4, Farsid. Her occupation was “House in Midwifery.” You can view the census transcription for Ellen Barry at the following National Archives of Ireland website link at:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Rostillan/Farside…

Going to the 1911 census of Ireland I looked for the Murray, McCartney, and the Petey Johns families to see if they were still living in Farsid. I found that 75 year old Bridget Murray, a widow, was in the household of her son-in-law, 41 year old Charles Patey Johns, and Charles’s 42 year old wife Norah. Also in the household is Charles and Norah’s daughter, 14 year old Bridget Patey Johns. The census shows that Charles was a Naval Pensioner and Publican who could read and write. The census further shows that Charles and Norah, as of 1911, had been married for 15 years, and in that time period had only one child, that child being their 14 year old daughter Bridget. You can view a transcription of the 1911 census at the National Archives of Ireland link at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Rostellan/Farsid_…

To view a copy of the original 1911 census for the Patey Johns household in Farsid, see: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001990268/

The 1911 census was taken on the 2nd day of April. Bridget Murray died 13 days after she was enumerated in the 1911 census. Her death record shows that she died in Farside on April 15 at the age of 70 years. Her age in census however is 75, showing that you cannot always trust ages of people in the 1911, as well as the 1901 census enumerations. The cause of death was “Old age. No Med. Att.” Her occupation at the time of death looks like “Vintner.” The person who was present at the death and who reported the death to the local registrar was Charles Patey-Johns of Farside. The Registrar, H.J. Buckmaster recorded Bridget’s birth in the Midleton Registration District on April 18, 1911. Bridget’s death is Number 333 in the attached death register.

I located the probate record for Bridget at FamilySearch in a record called, “Ireland Calendar of Wills and Administrations, 1858-1920.” This record comes from the National Archives of Ireland and shows that Bridget left 44 Pounds and 15 Shillings to Norah Pateyjohns, wife of Charles Pateyjohns. The probate record is attached to this reply. Bridget’s entry is the first one on the left-hand page.

The 1911 census shows that Charles and Norah Patey Johns had been married for 15 years, which places their year of marriage circa 1896.

I found their civil marriage record at irishgenealogy.ie, showing Charles and Nora were married in the Roman Catholic Chapel of Aghada on 22 October 1895. At the time of marriage both were of “full” age. Charles’s occupation was “Seaman,” while Nora was employed as a “Shop Keeper.” Both had been living in Farside at the time of marriage. Charles’s father is Robert Patey John, a Labourer. Nora’s father is Peter Murray, a Seaman The Parish Priest who married them was John Canon Ryan. The name of one of the witnesses looks like J. Carling or Curling. The second witness is Bridget O’Connell. The marriage record is at Number 99 in the attached register.

I also found the birth record for Charles and Nora’s daughter Bridget Elizabeth, at the irishgenealogy.ie website, showing her birth took place in Farsid on 9 November 1896. Her father is Charles Patey-Johns, a Seaman residing in Farsid. Her mother is Honara Patey-Johns, formerly Murray. Once again we find that Ellen Barry of Farsid was present at the birth and reported the birth to the local registrar, R.B. Travers. R.B. Travers recorded the birth in the Midleton Registration District on 20 January 1897. Bridget’s birth is Number 11 in the attached register.

The 1911 census shows that Bridget is the only child that Charles and Nora had in what had been up to that time, their 15 years of marriage.

THE TWO MARRIAGES OF BRIDGET PATEY JOHNS

Bridget Patey Johns first married Michael Horgan in the Aghada Catholic Parish on 22 June 1915, according to the marriage transcription found at irishgenealogy.ie. Only the transcription of the marriage is available. I’m not sure why a copy of the original civil registration marriage record is not available from irishgenealogy.ie.

At the time of marriage Michael and “Bridgid” were both of “full” age and both had been residing in Farside. Both had not been previously married. Michael’s occupation was “Soldier.” His father is Michael Horgan, a labourer.

No occupation is recorded for Bridget. Her father is Charles Patey Johns, a Sailor. The Parish Priest who married the couple was Michael Walsh. The witnesses to the marriage were Michael O’Brien and Mary O’Dowd. The registrar, W.J. Buckmaster, recorded the marriage in the Midelton Registration District on 29 June 1915. The transcription of the marriage from irishgenealogy.ie is below:

SR District/Reg Area - Midleton

Marriage of William Horgan and Bridgid Pateyjohns on 22 June 1915

Name William Horgan
Age Full age
Address Farside
Occupation Soldier
Civil Status Single
Father's Forename Michael
Father's Surname Horgan
Father's Profession Labourer
Signature William Horgan

Name Bridgid Pateyjohns
Age Full age
Address Farside
Civil Status Single
Father's Forename Charles
Father's Surname Pateyjohns
Father's Profession Sailor
Signature Bridgid Pateyjohns

Marriage Information
Date of Event 22 June 1915

Marriage Solemnised At Address Catholic Church of Aghada
Solemnised According To\ the Rites and Ceremonies of the Roman Catholic Church
Solemniser Forename Michael
Solemniser Surname Walsh P.P.

Witness 1 Michael O'Brien
Witness 2 Mary O'Dowd

Other Information
Group Registration ID 1664334
Registrar W.J. Buckmaster
Registration District/Office Aghada
Registration SR District/Reg Area Midleton
Registration County Co. Cork
Date of Registration 29/06/1915
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You can order a copy of the original marriage record for William and Bridget from the General Register Office (GRO) in Roscommon Town, County Roscommon, Ireland. For instruction on how to order go to the irishgenealogy.ie link at: https://is.gd/flo5kE

Less than a month after they married William and Bridget’s son Charles was born in Farside. His date of birth was 19 July 1915. His father William is shown to be a Soldier whose residence is Farside. His mother is Bridget Horgan, formerly Patey-Johns. Bridget reported Charles’s birth to the local Registrar, W.J Bickmaster, who recorded the birth in the Midelton registration District on September 14, 1915. Charles’s birth is at Number 40 in the attached birth register.

Charles was born during the second year of World War I. He would never get to know his father, as William died in France on 16 November 1915, according to a WWI Pension Ledgers and Index Card found at Ancestry.com. His military unit was the Irish Guards. His place of death was Horford A- Hornzee, France. See the information from the card below:

WWI Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923

Name: William Horgan
Gender: Male
Rank: Pte.
Record Type Card
Death Date: 16 Nov 1915
Service Number: 6391
Corps, Regiment or Unit: Irish Guards Regiment

Description: Other Ranks Died Horford A-Hornzee F
Next of Kin:
Name Relation to Soldier

William Horgan
Bridget Horgan Widow
Charles. Horgan Child

Source Citation
Western Front Association; London, England; Pension Record Cards; Reference: 103/0463/HOR-HOR
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Also see the following from Ancestry.com concerning William’s death in World War I:

UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919

Name: William Horgan
Birth Place: Cloyne, Co. Cork
Death Date: 16 Nov 1915
Death Place: France and Flanders
Enlistment Place: Cork
Rank: Private
Regiment: Irish Guards
Battalion: 2nd. Battalion
Regimental Number: 6391

Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre

Source Information
Military-Genealogy.com, comp. UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2008.
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You can also read a copy of the original last will filed by William Horgan on 3 August 1915, which comes from the National Archives of Ireland at: http://soldierswills.nationalarchives.ie/reels/sw/HorganW_E142638.pdf

The Find A Grave entry for L-Cpl (Lance Corporal) William Horgan shows he is buried in the Aubers Ridge British Cemetery, Aubers, Departement du Nord, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/56147560

For more information about the Aubers Ridge British Cemetery in France go to the Find A Grave link at: https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2182683/aubers-ridge-british-cemete…

There is a very sad song called “The Green Fields of France,” written by Eric Bogle and sung by the Furies, about a young World War I soldier named Willie McBride, who like William Horgan, died in combat in France. You can listen to the song and follow the lyrics at the YouTube link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDyip7SIJkQ

Bridget Patey-John Horgan married for the second time to Michael Elliot in the Catholic Chapel at Aghada on February 20, 1917. Both were of “Full age” when they married. Michael had been a bachelor and Bridget a “Widow.” Michael’s occupation was “Soldier,” who resided in Aghada before marriage. His father is James Elliot, a “Naval Pensioner.”

No occupation is recorded for Bridget, who was living in Farsid when she married. Her father is Charles Pateyjohns, also a Naval Pensioner. The Aghada Parish Priest, Michael Walsh, married Michael and Bridget. He was the same priest who married William and Bridget two years earlier. The witnesses to the marriage were James and Ellen O’Brien. The marriage is Number 217 in the marriage register, which is attached to this reply.

The Catholic Church in Aghada is called Saint Erasmus. But this church was built in 1987 on the site of a former Catholic Church. It’s the former Catholic Church where Bridget Paty-Johns would have married William Horgan and then Michael Elliot. You can read information about the saint Erasmus Catholic Church at the Buildings of Ireland website link at: https://is.gd/Qw46nH

You can view the old Saint Erasmus R.C. Chapel on an Ordnance Survey Map of Aghada from the 1888 to 1913 time period at the GeoHive website link at: https://bit.ly/2CsUBOY

THE DEATH RECORDS OF CHARLES AND NORAH PATY-JOHNS

Charles Pateyjohns died in “Ratillan” on 16 September 1930. I believe Ratillan is a reference to Rostellan, which is just east of Aghada. See: https://is.gd/bT6cLm

At the time of death Charles was 58 years old and married. His occupation was “Naval Pensioner.” His cause of death is difficult to read in parts but looks like it could be “Hemoptysis Pulmonary Tuberculosis 1 hour Certified.” His daughter, Bridget Elliot of Passage East, County Waterford was present at the death and reported the death to the Registrar, P. O’Sullivan, who recorded the death in the Midleton Registration District on September 18, 1930. Charles’s death is Number 234 in the attached death register.

According to her death record Norah Maria Pateyjohns died on October 4 1953. Her place of death was “4 Cottage Passage East,” which is in County Waterford, and where Bridget Elliot had been living when her father died in 1930. At the time of death Norah is shown to have been 86 years old and a widow. Her occupation is difficult to read in part, but the part that is legible incudes the initials “R.N.,” for Royal Navy, meaning her husband was in the Royal Navy. The cause of death was, “Myocarditis. Senility. Cert.” The person who was present at her death and who reported Norah’s death to the Registrar was her daughter B. Elliot of 4 Cottage Passage East. Peter F. O’Sullivan recorded Norah’s death in the Midleton Registration District on October 13, 1953. The death record is Number 300 in the attached register.

The informant B. Elliot would be Norah’s daughter Bridget, who married Michael Elliot in 1917.

I don’t know if 4 Cottage is a reference to 4 Cottage Street in Passage East, Waterford. A Google Map shows that Passage East, Waterford, is about 75 miles east of Farside, County Cork: https://is.gd/2tOPMq

I couldn’t find a Cottage Street in Passage East, Waterford when enlarging the Google Map of the town.

I couldn’t help but notice the second war casualty that happened to Bridget when I read in your Graham-Fleming Family Tree that Bridget’s husband Michael Elliot was killed in World War II when his ship, the SS Caladonian Monarch, was torpedoed. The address on the record you supplied called ”UK, Merchant Seamen Deaths, 1939 -1953,” shows his residence at the time of death was 4 Cottage, Passage East

I looked for Bridget Elliot’s death record at the irishgenealogy.ie website but didn’t find it. Deaths at the site are only recorded up to 1969, which is an indication that she died sometime after 1969.

This reply includes 15 attachments:

Barbara Murray 1864 birth
McCartney and Murray 1892 marriage
Bridget McCartney 1894 birth
David McCartney 1895 birth
Andrew McCartney 1898 birth
Norah Maria McCartney 1900 birth
Bridget Elizabeth Pety Johns 1896 birth
Bridget Murray 1911 death
Bridget Murray 1911 probate
Paty jJohns and Murray 1895 marriage
Bridget Paty Johns 1896 birth
Charles Horgan 1915 birth
Elliot and Pateyjohns 1917 marriage
Charles Pateyjohns 1930 death
Norah Pateyjohns 1953 death
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Best Wishes Mandy,

Dave Boylan