Carlin-McDonough

Kathy,

There is a town called Ballymoney in Co Antrim. However there are also 18 other Ballymoneys elsewhere in Ireland. So we need to be sure we look in the right one.

You mention that William & Ann lived there in the 1800s. Can you be a bit more specific? When roughly were they born and when did they leave Ireland? What denomination were they?

There was a census of Ballymoney parish, Co Antrim, in 1817 but I don’t see any Carlin or McDonough households listed. What’s the source of the information they came from there? (Carlin is not a common name in Co. Antrim. Just 2 or 3 in Griffiths Valuation of 1860 and they were all in Belfast. No McDonoughs in the county at all). I suspect your ancestors came from one of the other Ballymoneys.

Hi Elwyn. Thank you so much for your response. The family is Roman Catholic.

This is what I have found so far. William Carlin son of John Carlin Carolan and Mary Carlin nee McFeely from Ballymoney, near Dungiven, Derry.

They had at least 5 children Hugh ,

 William b.1837d.1905 married to Nancy McDonough b. 1842 d. 1921in Trenton , New Jersey., (my potential ancestors)    

 Thomas b.1821Derry d.1908in Benton, Minnesota

 Robert-

 Patrick b.1818 1905 in Trenton, New Jersey married to Sarah McDonough b. 1834, d. 1904 in Trenton, New Jersey Patrick emigrated to USA in 1840 and married in 1855

there may be a  Rose Carolan/Carlin b. 1827 baptized Sept. 9th 1827 and she may have married twice ,first to a Kane . Their child was Mary Kane a famous suffragette in Eccles,near Manchester, England. I  

Thank you. Kathy Didden

Kathy,

Ballymoney and Dungiven aren’t particularly close. Ballymoney is in Co Antrim and Dungiven is about 30 miles away in Co. Derry/Londonderry.  But I am working on the basis that John & Mary have connections with them in some way. This map shows where they are. (Most of Ballymoney is in Co Antrim but 2 small parts are in Co Derry, enough to help show the geographical relationship).

https://www.johngrenham.com/browse/counties/rcmaps/derryrc.php#maps/

So we have John Carlin/ Carolan or similar married to Mary McFeely around 1818 or slightly earlier.  Children Patrick 1818, Thomas 1821, Rose 1827 Huigh 1837 and Wm & Robert no dates. 

Dungiven parish has records from 1825 onwards but Ballymoney’s don’t start till 1853, so I am assuming that the births must be in Dungiven. The records for 1825 – 1834 are on-line on rootsireland but I don’t have a subscription so can’t verify them. The records for 1835 – 1846 are lost (or were never kept). So we know there will be no records of any children born before 1825 or after 1834, so that may include William & Robert.

I looked for marriages in Ireland for Rose Carlin & a Mr Kane and also William Carlin & Ann McDonough but without success. I googled Mary Kane suffragette but could not find anything on her.

There were 2 McFeeley households in Dungiven. Possibly one may be Mary’s. One in Owenbeg:

https://www.johngrenham.com/browse/counties/rcmaps/derryrc.php#maps/

This was a man lodging with someone else in Crebarkey:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Kenaught/Dungiven/Crabarkey/60/

No Carlin etc in Dungiven though it is found elsewhere in the county. There was a Matilda Carley in Dungiven but she was Presbyterian so presumably not the correct family.

Death registration only started in Ireland in 1864. If John & Mary died before that there will likely be no record save if they have gravestones. This was the only John I could find in the Dungiven area. I could find none in the Ballymoney area.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1885/06302/4806395.pdf

This was the only Mary in that area who might be John’s widow. None in Ballymoney:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1887/06200/4773310.pdf

So unfortunately I can’t find any additional information on your family at all.

Dear Elwyn, Thank you for taking the time to do research for my family. I did not realize how mant Ballymoneys there are. Thank you for the maps.

I also did some more digging and found that John Carlinwas born in 1791 in BallymoneyDell,Derry ,Ireland.You are correct when you said therewere two McFeely households in Dungiven. I am related to the Ballymoney or Foreglen McFeelys by DNA. Apparently Ballymoney is really a sub townland ,so very small. It is part of the Aghanloo Civil Parish, Barony of Keenaght, Co. Derry.

John and Mary's  daughter Rose was born in 1827 in Ballinascreen and Dungiven,. Draperstown. According to a DNA cousin,Mary Kane the suffragette,(Rose's daughter) was the first female politician they had in Eccles and was a Labour Lady Mayor, the first ever for Eccles , a small town near Manchester, England.

I think the McDonough branch might have been from Belfast.

Many thanks for your helpful research.   Kathy

Kathy,

I have found the Aghaloo/Aghanloo Ballymoney now. As you say there is one in Aghanloo parish. It is a small townland in it’s own right, on the modern Windyhill Rd between Coleraine and Limavady. In the 1901 census there were just 2 houses there:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Aghanloo/Ballymoney/

In the 1831 census there were 6 houses there, surnames were Loughry, Turbett x 2, McLoughlin, McCall & Simpson. No Carlins.

You mention that Rose was born in Ballinascreen & Dungiven, Draperstown. Draperstown is in Ballinascreen parish. It’s a separate parish from Dungiven. And Draperstown is probably 25 miles from Ballymoney.  So I am having some difficulty joining all these dots together.

If Rose's daughter Mary daughter was a Labour Maror/Mayoress and politician then that seems to dates it to the 1900s, because the Labour Party didn’t come into existence till about 1892 and they didn’t have any MPs till Keir Hardie was elected in 1900. Rose’s daughter would have been in her 50s by then if not older. Could that be right?

Sorry but I can’t find any record of this family.

I am trouble connecting the dots as well! You did a good job trying. Is there a Ballymoney in Scotland? Many thanks for all your effort.

KD

Kathy,

No there's no Ballymoney in Scotand so far as I am aware. Kane/O'Kane is very much a name associated with Counties Derry & Antrim. (They were the main tribe there for hundreds of years). The names and religious denomination you have given suggest to me Irish origins, but I could be wrong.

Hi Kathy,

I just discovered your messages here while doing a Google search. My grandmother was a Carlin (spelled Carolan) -- my line is from Muldonagh, which is next to Ballymoney. I have been researching a Hugh Carlin so I was delighted to find your messages. Would love to share information with you! I am brand new to this site (I only just joined now so that I could send you a note here), so not sure whether we can send private messages. Do you know?

Heather