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Hi there, I am trying to find information on my fathers family who were living in Aghaloo back in the 1800s.  The spelling of the surnames change a bit depending on the records.  But I hardly have any information.  This is what I do have - Robert Daly (Dailey) was born in Glasdrummond Aghaloo in 1934.  His parents were William Daly born 1789 in Aghaloo and Isabella Nielson (Neilson, Nilsson?) who was born 1790 Tyrone and died 1866 Omagh Tyrone.  Robert married Eliza Ann Frizzell who was born in Legilly and they married January 1860 in Dungannon at the Derrygortreavy Church of Ireland.  They came to New Zealand in 1862 and are my great grandparents.  I am so frustrated though as I am sure Robert wouldn't have been an only child and there must be some records of the Daly's having lived there apart from the Griffiths Valuation.  William died in Aghaloo in 1881 but I doubt there is a headstone, but then there might be.  He died 15yrs after Isabella who was in Omagh so she may be buried without him.  Any ideas on how to find out more would be very appreciated.  We have found only a few records on the various genealogy sites, so thought we would try the actual birth places.  Thanks if you read this far lol!  Helen Dailey

 

 

 

Sunday 19th Apr 2020, 08:47AM

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  • Helen,

    The 1860 marriage certificate described Robert’s father William as a “pensioner.” At that date pensioner would point to him having served in the army (and to be receiving a military pension). So you might find some military records for him on Findmypast or Ancestry. Plus here may be a file at the National Archives in Kew, London, which won’t be on line.

    The Valuation Revision records take Griffiths forward. Those for Glasdrummond are on-line on the PRONI website. They show William’s name deleted from plot 8 (a 9 acre farm) in 1873 and replaced by Isabella. In turn she was replaced in 1874 by Andrew Wilson. Those changes often indicate someone has died. You mentioned that William died in 1881. Are you certain that is the correct death? I see another William Daley death on 11.5.1872 aged 81, which fits with the Valuation revision records. Have you looked at it? I note too that the 1881 death was for a farmer in Lisrone (Lisroan), not Glasdrummond. Informant was his son Thomas. Also if Isabella replaced William in 1874, then she was still alive, so are you sure the 1866 death in Omagh is the right one too?

    The 1872 death isn’t on-line free yet. You can view the original certificate on-line on the GRONI website, using the “search registrations” option:

    https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk

    You will need to open an account and buy some credits. It costs £2.50 (sterling) to a view a certificate.

    There is, for example, a death on 22.9.1885 at Carricklongfield, Aghaloo for Isabella Daly, aged 84, widow of William Daley farmer. Informant was Margaret Jane Pendergast, grand-daughter, also of Carricklongfield. I think that’s probably the correct death.

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1885/06272/4796973.pdf

    That information leads me in turn to a marriage on 11th Jan 1859 between Alexander Pendergast and Martha Dailey both of Glasdrummond. Martha’s father was William, a farmer. The marriage took place in Upper Clonaneese Presbyterian church. Tradition was to marry in the bride’s church, so often the place to look for her and her siblings births. Unfortunately Upper Clonaneese only has baptism records from 1868 onwards. I am not sure how old the church is. Might be worth checking Clonaneese Lower Presbyterian church’s records in case that was at one time the family church. Their baptisms start in 1811, marriages from 1845.

    If you have access to rootsireland, you can search the site by county. Search Tyrone under Daly (and it’s variants) with William as the father’s name for the years 1845 to say 1880. You might find some other children’s marriages that way.

    Otherwise you could go to PRONI and search the Clonaneese baptism records there.  William’s wife’s surname is probably Neilson. Being Presbyterian and living in Tyrone, the family are evidently of Scottish origins and so I’d expect it to be Neilson. Nilsson is more Scandinavian and is not a name found in that area (or in Ireland generally). The Daly family probably arrived in Ireland in the 1600s. (That’s when the main Scottish migration took place).

    There is a tree on Ancestry (K J Bennett tree) which has Martha Dailey listed. Gives her years as 1834 – 1901. 2 Pendergast children Mary Jane 1862 – 1887 and Isabella 1862 – 1893. Her husband Alexander 1836 to before 1870. The tree says she re-married to William Morrow of Carricklongfield in 1870. It also confirms her father’s death was on 11th May 1872, so the death I mentioned appears to be the right one. She had several children by William Morrow ie Robert 1870, William 1872 & Thomas 1876. It also mentions her brother Robert Dailey’s death I on 17.11.1899 in Christchurch NZ. She died 18.1.1901 at Carricklongfield. I suspect this is Martha’s son Robert in the 1901 census:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Ballymagran/Carricklongfield/1733767/

    Regarding gravestones, there’s no requirement to record where someone is buried in Ireland so it can be pot luck. The Dailey family were evidently Presbyterian so I would check the graveyards around Clonaleese and Aghaloo. Churhc of Ireland as well Presbyterian. Not all Presbyterian churches had graveyards and many were buried to the Church of Ireland instead.  Martha Dailey, I would expect to be buried alongside her Morrow husband. He was Church of Ireland.

     

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Sunday 19th Apr 2020, 11:33AM
  • Helen,

    The 1860 marriage certificate described Robert’s father William as a “pensioner.” At that date pensioner would point to him having served in the army (and to be receiving a military pension). So you might find some military records for him on Findmypast or Ancestry. Plus there may be a file at the National Archives in Kew, London, which won’t be on line.

    The Valuation Revision records take Griffiths forward. Those for Glasdrummond are on-line on the PRONI website. They show William’s name deleted from plot 8 (a 9 acre farm) in 1873 and replaced by Isabella. In turn she was replaced in 1874 by Andrew Wilson. Those changes often indicate someone has died. You mentioned that William died in 1881. Are you certain that is the correct death? I see another William Daley death on 11.5.1872 aged 81, which fits with the Valuation revision records. Have you looked at it? I note too that the 1881 death was for a farmer in Lisrone (Lisroan), not Glasdrummond. Informant was his son Thomas. Also if Isabella replaced William in 1874, then she was still alive, so are you sure the 1866 death you found in Omagh is the right one too? The 1872 death isn’t on-line free yet. You can view the original certificate on-line on the GRONI website, using the “search registrations” option:

    https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk

    You will need to open an account and buy some credits. It costs £2.50 (sterling) to a view a certificate.

    There is, for example, a death on 22.9.1885 at Carricklongfield, Aghaloo for Isabella Daly, aged 84, widow of William Daley farmer. Informant was Margaret Jane Pendergast, grand-daughter, also of Carricklongfield. I think that’s probably the correct death.

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1885/06272/4796973.pdf

    That information leads me in turn to a marriage on 11th Jan 1859 between Alexander Pendergast and Martha Dailey both of Glasdrummond. Martha’s father was William, a farmer. The marriage took place in Upper Clonaneese Presbyterian church. Tradition was to marry in the bride’s church, so often the place to look for her and her siblings births. Unfortunately Upper Clonaneese only has baptism records from 1868 onwards. I am not sure how old the church is. Might be worth checking Clonaneese Lower Presbyterian church’s records in case that was at one time the family church. Their baptisms start in 1811, marriages from 1845.

    If you have access to rootsireland, you can search the site by county. Search Tyrone under Daly (and it’s variants) with William as the father’s name for the years 1845 to say 1880. You might find some other children’s marriages that way.

    Otherwise you could go to PRONI and search the Clonaneese baptism records there.  William’s wife’s surname is probably Neilson. Being Presbyterian and living in Tyrone, the family are evidently of Scottish origins and so I’d expect it to be Neilson. Nilsson is more Scandinavian and is not a name found in that area (or in Ireland generally). The Daly family probably arrived in Ireland in the 1600s. (That’s when the main Scottish migration took place).

    There is a tree on Ancestry (K J Bennett tree) which has Martha Dailey listed. Gives her years as 1834 – 1901. 2 Pendergast children Mary Jane 1862 – 1887 and Isabella 1862 – 1893. Her husband Alexander 1836 to before 1870. The tree says she re-married to William Morrow of Carricklongfield in 1870. It also confirms her father’s death was on 11th May 1872, so the death I mentioned appears to be the right one. She had several children by William Morrow ie Robert 1870, William 1872 & Thomas 1876. It also mentions her brother Robert Dailey’s death I on 17.11.1899 in Christchurch NZ. She died 18.1.1901 at Carricklongfield. I suspect this is Martha’s son Robert in the 1901 census:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Ballymagran/Carricklongfield/1733767/

    Regarding gravestones, there’s no requirement to record where someone is buried in Ireland so it can be pot luck. The Dailey family were evidently Presbyterian so I would check the graveyards around Clonaleese and Aghaloo. Churhc of Ireland as well Presbyterian. Not all Presbyterian churches had graveyards and many were buried to the Church of Ireland instead.  Martha Dailey, I would expect to be buried alongside her Morrow husband. He was Church of Ireland.

     

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Sunday 19th Apr 2020, 11:35AM

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