Flemings of the Rower

Pol,

Is this your Michael? Per Ancestry-

NameMichael Fleming

Estimated Birth Yearabt 1851

Date of Registration1930 Oct-Nov-Dec

Death Age79

Registration districtThomastown

Volume4

Page381

FHL Film Number101738

Regards- Mary

Pol,

If the above was your Michael, per Ancestry- Note attached to this record was a list of possible spouses Ellen Grace was one of them.

NameMichael Fleming

Date of Registration1874

Registration districtThomastown, Ireland

Volume14

Page number383

FHL Film Number101252

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Per RootsIreland

Date of Marriage:20-Jul-1874  

Parish / District:DANESFORTCounty:Co. Kilkenny

HusbandWife

Name:MichaelFlemingEllenGrace

Address:GarnamanKells

Denomination:Roman CatholicRoman Catholic

Occupation:

Age:Not RecordedNot Recorded

Status:

Husband's FatherWife's Father

Name:Not RecordedNot RecordedNot RecordedNot Recorded

Address:

Denomination:

Occupation:

Husband's MotherWife's Mother

Name:Not RecordedNot RecordedNot RecordedNot Recorded

Address:

Denomination:

Occupation:

Witness 1Witness 2

Name:PhilipFlemingMaryGrace

Address:

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Date of Marriage:20-Jul-1874  

Parish / District:KNOCKTOPHERCounty:Co. Kilkenny

HusbandWife

Name:MichaelFlemingEllenGrace

Address:Not RecordedKells

Denomination:Civil Parish / DistrictCivil Parish / District

Occupation:SERVANTSERVANT

Age:26

Status:Bachelor (Previously unmarried)Spinster (Previously unmarried)

Husband's FatherWife's Father

Name:ThomasFlemingPatrickGrace

Address:

Denomination:

Occupation:LABOURERNot Recorded

Husband's MotherWife's Mother

Name:Not RecordedNot RecordedRnNot Recorded

Address:

Denomination:

Occupation:

Witness 1Witness 2

Name:PhilipFlemmingMaryGrace

Address:

Notes:

[WIFES AGE GIVEN AS FULL] (WIFES FATHER DECEASED) (E) (WIFES FATHERS NAME GIVEN AS PAT)

Regards- Mary

Pol,

I have found a 1901 census with a Michael living in Kiltown, Bower with his wife Johanna and family. He was a widow when he married Johanna. Ellen Grace probably wasn't his wife since his father was Patrick and the year of the marriage would overlap. Assuming I found the right marriage record.

Date of Marriage:28-Feb-1876  

Parish / District:DYSERTMOONCounty:Co. Kilkenny

HusbandWife

Name:MichaelFlemingJohannaKennedy

Address:KiltownBallyvarra

Denomination:Civil Parish / DistrictCivil Parish / District

Occupation:LABOURERLABOURER

Age:

Status:Widower (Male)Spinster (Previously unmarried)

Husband's FatherWife's Father

Name:PatrickFlemingThomasKennedy

Address:

Denomination:

Occupation:LABOURERLABOURER

Husband's MotherWife's Mother

Name:Not RecordedNot RecordedNot RecordedNot Recorded

Address:

Denomination:

Occupation:

Witness 1Witness 2

Name:EdwardFlemingCatherineFenlon

Address:

Notes:

[AGES GIVEN A SFULL]

Regards- Mary

Pol,

1901 Census

FlemingMichael60MaleHead of FamilyRoman Catholic

FlemingJohana55FemaleWifeRoman Catholic

FlemingThomas24MaleSonRoman Catholic

FlemingMichael19MaleSonRoman Catholic

FlemingMary16FemaleDaughterRoman Catholic

FlemingJohn11MaleSonRoman Catholic

FlemingJames6MaleSonRoman Catholic

FlemingMary57FemaleSisterRoman Catholic

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Maybe Mary, his sister, baptism record. On RootsIreland I found two more children of Patrick and Margaret- Bridget 1846 and Margaret 1848.

Name:Mary FlemingDate of Birth:

  Date of Baptism:01-Mar-1843

Address:KilltownParish/District:INISTIOGUE

Gender:FemaleCountyCo. Kilkenny

Denomination:Roman Catholic

Father:Patrick FlemingMother:Margaret Foley

Occupation:

Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Murty Foley
Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Catherine Quinlan

Notes:

[E][FATHER GIVEN AS PATT]

Regards- Mary

Pol,

Perhaps Michael's first marriage

RootsIreland

Date of Marriage:08-Aug-1871  

Parish / District:DYSERTMOONCounty:Co. Kilkenny

HusbandWife

Name:MichaelFlemingJohannaFoley

Address:KiltownTinneranny

Denomination:Civil Parish / DistrictCivil Parish / District

Occupation:LABOURERNot Recorded

Age:

Status:Bachelor (Previously unmarried)Spinster (Previously unmarried)

Husband's FatherWife's Father

Name:PatrickFlemingEdwardFoley

Address:

Denomination:

Occupation:LABOURERLABOURER

Husband's MotherWife's Mother

Name:Not RecordedNot RecordedNot RecordedNot Recorded

Address:

Denomination:

Occupation:

Witness 1Witness 2

Name:JohnButlerAnneMurphy

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Son

Name:Patrick FlemingDate of Birth:

  Date of Baptism:09-May-1872

Address:KiltownParish/District:INISTIOGUE

Gender:MaleCountyCo. Kilkenny

Denomination:Roman Catholic

Father:Michael FlemingMother:Joanne Foley

Occupation:

Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:John Butler
Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Bridget Fleming

Notes:

[S][MOTHER GIVEN AS JOANNA]

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Death of wife

Name:JohannaFlemingDate of Death:06-Dec-1872

Age:26Parish / District:DYSERTMOON

Address:KiltownCounty:Co. Kilkenny

Status:MarriedDenomination:Civil Parish / District

Occupation:FARM LABOURERS WIFESex:Female

GraveyardInformant

Graveyard:Relationship:Not Recorded

Parish:Name:Bridget Fleming

County:Address:Kiltown

Notes:

[INFORMANT PRESENT AT DEATH]

Regards- Mary

Pol, Do you have any confirmation here?   _^phrazle

Pol,

Correction from my message Nov. 11, 2023- Kiltown, Bower should have been Kiltown, Rower.

Regards- Mary

Hi Mary, i messaged you but i cant see it up here, did you see it?

Pol,

Other than this message I have not seen a message from you. Try again.

Regards- Mary

Mary, i had sent a message thanking you so much for your time on my tree, i am very very grateful, i have put in the first marriage now, So i think Michael Fleming was now born abt.1841, instead of the earlier thought 1851 , it is hard to pin down dates.

When you were talking about Michael's sister Mary- i was expecting her parents to be Patrick Fleming 

B:Sep 1824 old court, Kilkenny, Ireland and his wife Bridget Ryan.  but you have the mother down as Margaret Foley, so did he marry twice or do we have the wrong Flemings.... i know there was at least 2 seperate Fleming family in the Rower, i know we are the Kiltown Flemings... so i am wondering where i got the Bridget Ryan out of??? It is hard to keep this all straight in my head.

Thanks again