I am looking for more info on my GGreatGrandmother's family, the Gamble family. William, Margaret Paterson, Sarah Gamble Margaret Gamble in Balleymoney. I can't find much from the local records in Balleymoney Ireland. Here is what I have.
Ballymoney Outdoor Register
First Name:
William
Surname:
Gamble
Townland:
Ballymoney
Name of spouse:
Margaret
Date relieved:
1866
Ballymoney outdoor relief register database
The 1847 Temporary Relief Act permitted Poor Law Commissioners to permit boards to give food to the able-bodied poor for limited periods, though excluding persons holding more than a quarter-acre of land. It was passed in response to the worsening conditions caused by famine.
This database comprises the register of people in the Poor Law Union of Ballymoney who received outdoor relief. It covers the period 1847-99, though as one would expect it is heavily weighted towards the late 1840s when the famine situation was at its most critical. 3,800 names are given. Some names recur quite regularly as people in need kept returning for more sustenance. The original register is in the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland under reference BG/5/EA/1.
These records reproduced with kind permission of Deputy Keeper of Records, Public Record Office of Northern Ireland.
Another relative ?
Ballymoney Outdoor Register
First Name:
Margaret
Surname:
Patterson
Townland:
Drumane
Date relieved:
1862
ballymoney_technical_school
First Name:
Margaret
Surname:
Patterson
Finvoy Presbyterian Headstone Survey
First Name:
Margaret
Surname:
Patterson
Date Died:
21/09/1896
Age:
80
have attached the reord I found for Margaret Gamble's birth but can't find Sarah her sister.
This is the record for the marriage of Thomas Smith and Sarah Gamble Wallace in NY. It lists her name as Wallace which means she was married prior to her marrying Thoma Smith. but I can't find any reocrds indicating where and when the marriage took place in the USA or Ireland.
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Sarah Wallace mentioned in the record of Thomas Smith and Sarah Wallace Name:Thomas Smith Spouse's Name:Sarah Wallace Event Date:03 May 1894 Event Place:Manhattan, New York, New York Father's Name:Robert Mother's Name:Sarah Mcmurchie Spouse's Father's Name:William Spouse's Mother's Name:Margaret Paterson Indexing Project (Batch) Number:M00122-2,System Origin:New_York-ODM, 1493119
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F647-6NZ
GS Film number:
Citing this Record "New York, Marriages, 1686-1980," index, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F647-6NZ : accessed 13 June 2015), Thomas Smith and Sarah Wallace, 03 May 1894; citing reference ; FHL microfilm 1,493,119
Here is the death certidicate of Sarah Gamble attached showing Gamble not Wallace as her maiden name.
Pegcrohan
Sunday 15th Dec 2019, 10:15PMMessage Board Replies
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Peg,
Here’s a link to Margaret Gamble’s birth certificate in 1870 in Charles St, Ballymoney. Her father was a thatcher by trade.
Gamble is a fairly common name in the Ballymoney area. Looking at the birth records there were 113 Gamble births in Ballymoney in the period 1864 to 1890. I did not see any other children to William & Margaret in the Ballymoney area 1864 to 1888.
I searched for William & Margaret’s marriage 1845 to 1870 but did not find it. (There was a marriage between a Hamilton Gamble and Margaret Patterson in Belfast on 6.6.1868 but that was the nearest I could find). He was a shoemaker.
I searched for a Sarah Gamble birth c 1869 in Co Antrim to parents named Gamble & Patterson but did not find one.
You wonder whether the Margaret Patterson in Drumane in 1862 was a relation. I can’t answer that. What I can say is that both surnames are very common in that area. In the 1901 census of Co. Antrim there were 478 people named Gamble (105 of whom were named William) and 1511 named Patterson. That county was heavily settled by Scottish settlers in the 1600s (Gamble and Patterson are both Scottish names) and so there are a lot of people with those surnames. Not necessarily related to each other, though some might be.
You give details of a Margaret Patterson who died on 21.9.1896 aged 80. I am unclear as to the link to your family. However here’s a link to her death certificate:
She was the widow of William Patterson, a farmer from Drumlee. The informant was her daughter Jane. This looks to be that family in the 1901 census:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Dirraw/Drumlee/945791/
I searched for a marriage between Sarah Gamble and a Wallace in Ireland 1875 – 1894 but did not find one. I also had a look in the Scottish records in case she had married there (huge numbers of people from Co Antrim went to Scotland to work) but there’s no marriage there either.
I can’t find any other references to your couple. Did they stay in Ireland or go to the US?
Outdoor relief was what today we would call social welfare. It involved providing soup kitchens and other assistance to folk who were unable to support themselves. It was a slightly more dignified (and cheaper) form of assistance to those in difficulties that going into the Workhouse itself.
Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
Monday 16th Dec 2019, 12:52AM -
Thank you for all of your research. I have no info on William and Margaret Gamble coming to the US, Sarah's sister Margaret married John Givens and all of them lived in Brooklyn NY. When Thomas McMillan Smith died in an accident in Bergan Beach Brooklyn Sarah and her 2 sons Thomas Givens Smith and David Dundas Smith moved to a smaller apartment and my Grandmother Catherine McKenzie Smith stayed in the apartment on Tillary St in Brooklyn. Her sister Margaret, John and their 3 girls moved into Tillary St and my Grandmother stayed with them until she went out on her own. I have a lot of information on the Smith side but none on the Gamble side. I'll keep on searching. thank you again and “Happy Christmas” “Nollaig Shona”.“Nollaig Chridheil dhut”, “Happy New Year” “Athbhliain Faoi Mhaise”. Bliadhna Mhath Ùr
Pegcrohan
Tuesday 17th Dec 2019, 12:48AM