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According to 1851 census there was a 21 year old george Johnson living at 2920 Massereene. Barony, Killead Parish , Ballyhill Uppertown and County Antrim. I believe this is my g grandfather who cane to usa around 1850. Is this an address i can visit when i come to ireland next week? Do you have any other information on him? He married an Anne McGuiness. Do you know if they married in Ireland? Their 1st child wss born in USA in 1858. Any info you can provide on either is appreciated. Thank you.

Maureen

Sunday 18th Mar 2018, 02:36PM

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  • Maureen,

    The address where George lived was the townland of Ballyhill Upper. There were no house numbers or street names in 1851 and the townland alone was sufficient to identify you or get a letter delivered. I do not know the modern house number but the property is off Ballyhill Lane. 

    George’s father was John, a farmer. Griffiths Valuation for Ballyhill Upper in 1862 lists John Johnson on plot 10, a 13 acre farm. The map that accompanies Griffiths shows you where the farm was/is. It’s at the far end of a dead end lane off Ballyhill Lane.  That in turn is off the A52 road from Nutts Corner Roundabout to Belfast.

    Looking at the property today on Google Earth there is still a farmhouse and outbuildings on the site. There is a car parked outside which suggests it’s still occupied. Use the maps on the Griffiths site and then once you have identified Plot 10, use the slider bar in the top right hand side of the screen to overlay a modern map which will show you where the property is today.

    http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch

    Probate abstracts:

    The Will of William Johnson late of Ballyhill in the County of Antrim Farmer deceased who died 3 March 1864 at same place was proved at Belfast by the oaths of John Bell and William Hannah both of Carnachlis (Crumlin) in the County of Antrim Farmers the Executors.

    Probate of the Will of John Jackson late of Ballyhill Ballycarry County Antrim Farmer who died 17 January 1901 granted at Belfast to Hugh Jackson Daniel Jackson and James M'Allister Farmers.

    The above wills are on-line on the PRONI wills site. William Johnson’s will contains the helpful information that he wanted a gravestone erected at Loanends Presbyterian graveyard. So that is probably the family church.

    Johnston John McComb of Ballyhill Crumlin county Antrim stockbrokers died 31 August 1926 at Royal Victoria Hospital Belfast Administration Belfast 2 November to James R. Johnston P.E. teacher. Effects £321 16s. 10d.

    Johnston James Rea of The Bungalow Ballyhill county Antrim retired school teacher died 9 January 1936 Probate Belfast 26 February to James Johnston commercial traveller and William Robert Thompson joiner. Effects £430 11s. 3d.

    John who died in 1926 was intestate so no will, but there should still be a probate file with details of next of kin. James does appear to have had a will which should be in PRONI in paper format.

    1901 census for a George Johnston born c 1830:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Dundesert/Ballyhill_Lower/917279/

    And nearby:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Dundesert/Ballyhill_Upper/917299/

    Looking at the birth certificate for George Johnson on 7th Feb 1875 at Ballyhill, I see his mother was Rebecca Auld. You mentioned that your ancestor went to the USA c 1850. The George in the 1851 census appears to have still been  in Ballyhill in 1901, and had been married to Rebecca Auld. Are you sure you have the right family?

    I looked for a George Johnson marriage to Anne McGuiness in Ireland c 1850 but did not see one.

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Sunday 18th Mar 2018, 07:30PM
  • Hi Elwyn!  

    You did a great job!  I really appreciate the thoroughness of your directions too!  If that was only my ancestor.... Thank you for taking the extra effort to check out George Johnson!  I beleive you are correct!!  The Ballyhill George is not mine :-(  

    I carefully went through all the records I do have and this is all I can tell is that George was born around 1831-1832 and married to an Ann.  

    I can't locate any birth certificates yet for their children so I don't know Ann's maiden name but we have all been reaised Catholic as far as I can see so maybe my next step will be to check with the Catholic church here when I get back.

    I was even wrong about the Ann McGuiness.  She was married to another George Johnson who was born arung the same time who named their children similar names!!!

    In  reviewing the 1930 US Census for his children (It seems that that census separated Northern Ireland from Irish Free State)  and according to that census both George and Ann were born in the Irish Free State so I totally messed that one up!!!  But iI imagine it would make more sense that they would be from the Irish Free State if they were Catholic.  

    Sorry to inconvenience you with the wrong data.  But Thank you for being so efficient. 

    Sincerely,

    Maureen

     

     

    Maureen

    Monday 19th Mar 2018, 09:25PM
  • Maureen,

    With that 1851 census, it’s possibly worth knowing that most of the census was destroyed (in the 1921 Fire in Dublin) and only a few fragments survive, mainly for Co. Antrim, so the George Johnsons you may have found there are only a small percentage of the number there would have been in Ireland at the time.

    Looking at the 1901 census (which is complete) there were 276 people named George Johns(t)on(e) in Ireland at that time. So a pretty common name.

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Tuesday 20th Mar 2018, 10:57AM

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