John Long

DC:

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I searched on the free site www.irishgenealogy.ie and did not locate any Long baptismal records where the father was Jeremiah and the mother was Honora Donovan.  I did find a marriage between a Jeremiah Long and a Mary Donovan plus baptismal records for children. Their son John, however, was baptized in 1848 which appears to be too late for your family.

I had the same lack of success for Catherine Linehan which leads me to believe that maybe both families were from the same parish and records for that parish are not available for the period around 1840.

I also looked at the subscription site Roots Ireland which has records for the north and east of Co. Cork and again I did not find any good leads.

Let me know if you have any other family information which might be helpful.

Roger McDonnell

Thank you Roger! I have information that John Long married Catherine Linehan. In the US the records state that she was born in Beeirvawnn, County Cork. I was never able to find this place but I did find records stating that Catherine’s father ,Dennis Linehan born in 1815 in a town called Quarry, Carraig na bhFear, County Cork. Could this possibly be the same as Beeirvawn? I think Beeirvawn is either phonetically spelled for a town. One of the children was born in the parish of Glanmire 7,Carriag na bhFear, County Cork. I’m not sure where any of these towns or parish are now located. Thank you for your assistance.       Debbie Long Combs

Debbie:

Glanmire is an RC parish in East Co. Cork. Looking at the parish register on the National Library site, there is a gap in records from 1841-1870  https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0053   According to the notes, the records are available locally. Possibly this would explain not finding any records on the www.irishgenealogy.ie site

You could try writing to the parish to see if they can assist.  http://www.glanmireparish.ie/temp/

I looked at the civil parishes which are covered by Glanmire RC and there are a few townlands which are close to Beervawn but not close enough to be a good lead. Also did not find a Quarry but that could have been a local place name.

Roger

A suggestion for 'Carraig na bhFear' - the Irish name for the town of Carrignavar in County Cork is "Carraig na bhFear", meaning 'the rock of the men' (Carraig = rock, fear = man) . The town is in the civil parish of Dunbulloge but very close the the civil parish of Whitechurch, it's located between Watergrasshill and Blarney and not that far north of the town of Glanmire - c 12km (~7.5 miles).

The entry for Dunbulloge/Carrignavar in Lewis' Topographical Dictionary of 1837 mentions ".. there are also quarries of limestone and some of clay-slate, which is used for building and repairing the roads..."

see the entry for the town of the placename database (www.logainm.ie).

One of the chapels for the Catholic parish of Glanmire was located in the town of Carrignavar.

I'm not seeing anything close to 'Beeirvawnn' either - the v and w indicate an English version of a place name (no Vs or Ws in Irish) , the v would probably have been a bh in the original Irish version of the name, which could have been anglicized as something else...  it's possibly a local name for somewhere in the area...

Thank you Roger and Shane. I will write to the parish for the information. Today I did find the marriage of Jeremiah Long's daughter, Honora Long to Timothy Buckley in 1867. They were married in the Roman Catholic parish of Banteer(spelling?) In Kanturk. It stated that they both resided in Horsemount. I'm not sure if that name still exists. Since Hanora is John Longs sister, perhaps he also lived in Horsemount. Is this a township in Kanturk?

Banteer is the correct spelling, it's the name of a town and the location of one of the chapels for Banteer Catholic Parish (aka Clonmeen). I think the mention of Kanturk you saw was the civil registration district. The town and parish of Banteer is located about 6km (4 miles)  to the south of the town and parish of Kanturk. Banteer is quite a distance, c60km to the North West of Glanmire, are you certain it's the same Long family ?

There are townlands named Horsemount North and Horsemont South listed in Kilcorney civil parish Co. Cork, this civil parish is one of these included in the Cathoic Parish of Banteer, there's also a townland namd Horsemount mountain in the same parish.

(there' wouldn't be a township in such a rural area - these are suburban and usually located close to a city or large town)

Debbie:

There is a Horsemout North, Horsemount South and Horsemountmountain townlands in Kilcorney civil parish which is in the general area for the RC parish of Banteer. Banteer is to the northeast of Glanmire a good distance away. Marriages usually occurred in the bride's parish so did the family move?

Roger

Hello Debbie,

As Shanew147 kindly wrote, the townland of Carraig na bhfear is translated as, “Rock of the men,” in the Irish language. The letters bh in bhFear in this case take the place of the letter V, as there is no letter V in the Irish language, nor for that matter are the letters J, K, Q, W, X, Y. Z, present in the Irish language either. The letters bh in the word bhfear is an Irish grammatical mutation known as, “Lenition.” See: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/10995361/Lenition

The name of the town in English is pronounced as Carrig-Na-Var.

You can view a map of Carriag na bhfear and other surrounding townlands labeled in Irish at the following logainm.ie link at: https://www.logainm.ie/ga/9336

Below the map at the above link you’ll be able to hear how Carriag na bhFear is pronounced by clicking on the right-facing arrow next to the name of the town.

Carrignavar is just a little over 7 miles north of Cork City according to the Google Map at: https://is.gd/cuczi7

I couldn’t find a location near Carrignavar called Beeirvawnn or anywhere in County Cork. Beeirvawnn may actually refer to Carrignavar.

But I did find that Quarry is a subtownland located within the townland of Glashaboy North. This information comes from the townlands.ie website link at:
https://www.townlands.ie/cork/barrymore/dunbulloge/carrignavar/glashabo…

The townlands.ie website also includes a map of Glashaboy North: https://www.townlands.ie/cork/barrymore/dunbulloge/carrignavar/glashabo…

In the Irish language Glashaboy North is spelled, and lenited as “Ghlaise Bhuí Thuaidh,” meaning Yellow
Stream North.

A Google Map shows that Glashaboy North, by the shortest route, is 5.6 miles northwest of Carrignavar. See: https://is.gd/HhF0Ns

For a Google Street View of Glashaboy North go to: https://is.gd/RhAUDm

You can also view the location of Quarry, Glashaboy North on an Ordnance Survey Map from the 1888 to 1913 time period at the GeoHive website link at: http://bit.ly/2M8yM8A

The following link will take you to an 1837 to 1841 Ordnance Survey Map for Glashaboy North. Make sure to close the Menu to view the full image of the map: http://bit.ly/30jpfo8

You can view an Ordnance Survey Map of Carrignavar from the 1837 to 1841 time period at the GeoHive website link at: http://bit.ly/2MdgN0S

I next wanted to see if I could find any Linehans in Quarry or Glashaboy North in an Irish property tax record known as Griffiths Valuation. Griffiths Valuation was enumerated in the 32 counties of Ireland between 1847 and 1864. The valuation for Carrignavar, Glashaboy North, Quarry, and surrounding townlands was completed by the year 1853.

Unlike a census, Griffiths Valuation did not enumerate individual members of a family, such as husband, wife, and children in a household residence. Those named in the valuation were individuals who paid to lease property, such as land, houses, and outbuildings. Each person who paid to lease the property was called an “Occupier.” The other person listed in Griffiths Valuation was the person who owned the property, or who worked as the middleman for the owner. This person was called the “Immediate Lessor.”

You can access Griffiths Valuation transcriptions and original copies for free at the askaboutireland website link at: http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml

Griffiths Valuation is also available from the subscription Ancestry.com database.

I found several “Lenihan” Occupiers in Griffiths Valuation leasing property in Glashaboy North. Some of these Occupiers include Denis Lenihan, Johanna Lenihan, William Lenihan, Patrick Lenihan, Edmond Lenihan, John Lenihan, and Simon Lenihan. Some of these Lenihans are recorded twice, indicating they leased more than one property in Glashaboy North.

You can view the Lenihan Occupiers as well as the other Occupiers leasing property in Glashaboy North from the enclosed Ancestry.com attachment.

By the 1901 census there were still Linehans residing in Glashaboy North. These include the families of Denis W. Linehan; Denis D Linehan, and an individual named Julia Linehan, a 96 year old widow. You can view copies of the original 1901 census for these Linehans at the following National Library of Ireland links:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000510455/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000510457/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000510477/

The 1911 census shows only one family remaining in Glashaboy North. This is the family of 80 year old Denis M. Linehan, a farmer and a widower. In the household with Denis is his 45 year old son John and John’s wife, 38 year old Ellen. The census shows that John and Ellen had been married a year by the time the census was enumerated on 2 April 1911. They as yet had no children. If John and Ellen had married on a date after 2 April they then would have been married for 2 years as of 1911. You can view a copy of the original 1911 census for the Linehan family at the following National Archives of Ireland link: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001850856/

I next looked for the civil marriage record for John Linehan and Ellen. The marriage record would not only record Ellen’s maiden name but also John and Ellen’s occupations, where had resided before they had married, as well as the names and occupations of their fathers. I particularly wanted to see if either John or Ellen had resided in Quarry.

I found a copy of their original marriage record at the irishgenealogy.ie website, which shows they were married in the Catholic Chapel of “Corrignavor” (Carrignavar) on November 25, 1909. Ellen’s maiden name is Daly. She and John were of “full” age when they married. The occupation of both John and Ellen was farmer. John’s residence is recorded as, “Quarry.” His father is Denis Linehan, a farmer. I could not make out the name of the town where Ellen was living at the time of marriage. Her father is Dan Daly, also a farmer. The priest who married John and Ellen was Father John Goold. The witnesses to the marriage were John Burns and Ellen Geany. Both John and Ellen signed the marriage register with their mark in the form of an X. The marriage record is attached to this reply and is Number 108 in the marriage register. This marriage record conclusively proves that Linehans were still residing in Quarry, where Catherine Linehan’s father Denis had lived, according to your records.

Because Denis Linehan was 80 years old in 1911, I next wanted to see if I could find his civil registration death record between 1911 and 1921 at the irishgenealogy.ie website. I wanted to see if his death record gave his residence as Glashaboy North, or Quarry. I found what I believe to be Denis’s death record, showing he died in Glashaboy North on January 17, 1914. At the time of death he was an 83 year old widower who had been a famer. The cause of death was, “Cardiac. Probably no medical attendant.” The person who was present at the death and who reported Denis’s death to the local registrar was Alina Donovan of Glashnaboy North. The registrar, J.A.J. Crowly recorded Denis’s death on February 6, 1914. The death record is attached to this reply and is Number 152 in the death register.

CHURCH RECORDS

The townlands of Carrignavar, Glashaboy North, and Quarry were located within the Civil Parish of Dunbulloge. The Catholic Parishes situated in the Civil Parish of Dunbulloge were Glanmire and Watergrasshill. Both Catholic parishes still exist.

According to a book by Brian Mitchell called, “A Guide To Irish Parish Registers,” the registers for Glanmire go back to the year 1803, while the registers for Watergrasshill begin in 1836. According to your records your ancestors had been part of the Glanmire Catholic Parish, and so I’ve concentrated on that parish rather than Watergrasshill.

A link at the National Library of Ireland, which holds Catholic Parish Registers for Ireland, shows that the Glanmore Catholic baptisms begin on 3 November 1806 and proceed to 22 September 1816. There is a gap in the baptism registers for almost two years when they pick up again on 10 May 1818 and go forward in time to 31 December 1841. This means that if your Catherine Linehan was born in or near Carrignavar in 1842, the National Library of Ireland will not have a copy of her baptism record.

The National Library of Ireland link also shows that Glanmire marriages are extent from 3 January 1803 and proceed to 8 May 1817. There is a gap in the marriage registers until 29 May 1818. The marriages then continue to December 1841. There is a gap in the Glanmire marriage registers held by the National Library of Ireland for almost 30 years, when they begin again on 11 February 1871 and continue to 26 February 1881. You can view the availability of the Glanmire baptism and marriage registers, as well as view a map of the Glanmire Catholic Parish at the National Library of Ireland link at: https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0053

In your reply to Roger you had noted the birth of child in the Glanmire Parish. Would this be the child of Denis Linehan and Johanna Donovan? If so I found the baptism record for Margaret Linehan in the Glanmire baptism registers at the National Library of Ireland. She was baptized on 19 July 1840. A copy of her original baptism record can be found at the following National Library of Ireland link: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633841#page/185/mode/1up

There are two facing pages of the baptism register. Margaret’s baptism is on the left-hand page, 5th entry up from the bottom. You can enlarge the page by means of round icons in the upper center/ right of the screen. The icons are white with green backgrounds. You can also access the full-screen function by clicking on the last icon on the right with the two arrows pointing northeast and southwest.

The baptism for Margaret shows that the sponsors or godparents were Daniel Donovan and Margaret Linehan. Daniel may have been Johanna’s brother and Margaret Denis’s sister.

If the family had been living in Quarry, Glashaboy North, or Carrignavar at the time that Margaret was baptized, she was likely baptized in the local church. If you go back to the 1837 to 1841 Ordnance Survey Map for Carrignavar from the GeoHive website, you’ll see the location of the “R.C. Chapel.” This would be the present day Church of the Immaculate Conception. According to the church website, the church was built in 1812, but it only holds baptisms from 1919 and marriages from 1920. See the church website at: http://corkandross.org/parishes/carraig-na-bhfear/

For a Google Map of the Church of the Immaculate Conception in Carrignavar, go to: https://is.gd/fnK9jV

For a Google Street View and interior view of the church, go to: https://is.gd/mDbBmW

Next I found what may be the marriage record for your Denis “Linnahan” and Hanna or Honora Donovan. I can’t tell from the marriage entry if the variant of Johanna’s first name is spelled Hanna or Hanora. The couple were married in the Glanmire Catholic Parish on 31 January 1839. The name of one of the witnesses was James Donovan. It’s difficult to tell what the first name of the second witness is, but it may be Nick or Vick. Their last name is also Donovan. The first initial of the priest who married Denis and Hanna/Honora is E. The last name may be Jefferd.

The marriage is on the left marriage register page, 4th entry down from the top at the National Library of Ireland link at: https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633841#page/231/mode/1up

Your records also shows that Denis Linehan was born in 1816. I found the baptism record for a Denis Linehan, showing he was baptized in the Glanmire Parish on 25 August 1816. His father is Den Linehan and his mother Margt. Coffy. I could not make out the first names of the godparents, but their last name also appears to be Linehan. Denis’s baptism is the 6th entry down the left-hand register page at the following National Library of Ireland link: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633839#page/74/mode/1up

I didn’t find a marriage record for Denis Linehan and Margaret Coffy in the Glanmire Catholic Parish or in any other Catholic Parish in County Cork.

Debbie, if you travel to County Cork in the future you’ll want to stop in Carrignavar and visit the Church of the Immaculate conception as this may be the church where your Linehan and Donovan ancestors had worshipped. While in Carrinavar you can also stop by the local post office and enquire is there are still any Linehans residing in the area, particularly in Quarry and Glashaboy North. The post master or one of the local residents should be able to tell you how to get to Quarry and Glashaboy North. The Carrignavar Post Office is just down the road from the Church of the Immaculate Conception on Main Street. The Mace grocery store sits between the church and the post office.

The other thing you can do to see if you can find out more information about Quarry and Glashaboy North, is write a query to the Ireland XO Chronicles. Perhaps someone locally will read your query and respond about what they know about Quarry, Glashnaboy North, and the people who had lived there. The XO Chronicles can be accessed at: https://irelandxo.com/ireland-xo/history-and-genealogy

Go to the following link for the XO Chronicles User’s Guide:
https://irelandxo.com/get-involved/ireland-xo-chronicles-user-guide

Best Wishes,

Dave Boylan

Thank you so much Dave Boylan. This is a wealth of information! I wrote to the parish in Glenmore to see if they had any information on John Long(1838) , Catherine Linehans husband. He died in Canandaigua,ny in 1878. His family information is above. Again, this is wonderful! Debbie Long Combs

You're welcome Debbie. Best of Luck with your research.

Dave