Julia TOOHEY Burntwood farm Cloughjordan

Hi Jillymossy

I have asked a local volunteer about Julia Toohey and here is his reply:

In the Cloughjordan parish records i found the following children ;Winifred 1839,Margaret 1841,Judy 1843,Catherine 1845,Anne 1849, another Catherine in 1850 and Matt in 1851 born to Rody(Roger) Tuohy and Alica(Eliza) Tooher  at Burntwood, Cloughjordan(.The spelling of the name in the Church records is Tuohy as opposed to Toohey)
                     The lady looking for the information thought that the Parents were John Wm Toohey and Alice Mary?.It looks to me that the fathers name is Rody(Roger) and the mothers name Alice(Eliza) is probably the same as Alice Mary..There are no births for a father named John Wm Toohey
               The fathers name varies between Rody and Roger  and the mothers name between Eliza ,Alacia and Ally for the different births.
               The wedding of Rody and Alacia took place on 19-1-1838.and the witnesses were R Cody and Mary Scurlock.Rody's address was shown as Islandwood which is a townland adjacent to Burntwood.
                  In Griffiths Valuation Rody is shown as Roderick Tuohy at Islandwood with a very small holding of three quarters of an acre . Roderick is another variation of the name Rody.It appears to me that he was living at  Islandwood.The two townlands Burntwood and Islandwood are right beside each other and that the priest recording the births was not precise in recording the addresses.
         There was also a query about relations living in Cloughjordan in the 1960's.There are no families of Tuohy or Tooher in Burntwood/Islandwood now and as far as i know they were not there in the 1960's.I also looked to see if there was any record of marriages of of the other girls that did not emigrate or of the brother Matt  in the Cloughjordan marriage records,but there was  no record of any of them getting married.

I hope that this is of some assistance to you.  If you need any further information, please let me know.

All the best,

Jane

This is an amazing piece of research. Thank you so much. 
I'm beginning to wonder if I have been barking up the wrong tree. I've been trying to find my Irish ancestors for 30 yrs with no luck whatsoever as both Julia and John were illiterate the only clue was in 1881 census where she was living in Oldham, England with her husband John Foley and my grandmother Alice 9 and her younger sister Sarah, it states she was born in Barrwood, Tipperary but as she was illiterate it was written down as heard by an English ear. I have never got to the bottom of 'Barrwood' in all this time but recently having had my dna matched to two family trees that have Tooheys in their tree as coming from Burntwood Tipperary in the 1840s I thought that could be it as our dna matched. It's from their trees that I got ( wrongly it seems ) Julia's mother and father and the spelling of Toohey  

Could Judy b.1843 be my great grandmother Julia? I wonder what happened to all of the brothers and sisters?

Hi Jilly:

I'm glad that the information from the volunteer was of some help to you.  

It is possible that Judy b. 1843 could be your great-grandmother.  It is possible that the whole family left the area and either moved to England first and then moved again.  

It might be worth looking at some of the names that Paddy shared with me and to see if you can find out anythng further.  I noted that there were 2 Catherines.  In most cases, the second Catherine was named as the first Catherine had died.  In my own family research we had 2 Bridgets, but the second Bridget was always known as Alice.  It's worth keeping in mind.  

Good luck and keep us posted.  I will get back to Paddy if you need further information.

All the best,

Jane

Dear Jane , I'm not sure whether you can see other messages I get or not so I'll paste a message I had from a Seamus Costello

Hi Julia,
Seamus Costello here from Cloughjordan. I will have to research Tooheys from Burntwood. Any idea what the relations names were on 1960s? I'd be delighted answer questions about Cloughjordan.
My great grandmother was a Toohey from Coolnamunna, Cloughjordan. She was Elizabeth, her Dad was David Touhy. He was married to Keenihan.
Thanks for contacting.

Seacos

Friday 11th September 2020, 12:30AM
 

I don't know where to go from here! It's taken me 30 yrs to get this far!  Do you think Barrwood Tipperary said in an Irish accent could be Burntwood as heard by an English ear?

Regards, Jill

Hi Jillymossy:

I think that the information that Paddy shared with me and that I posted is of importance to you.  I know that if Paddy is able to find further information, he will do so.

I'm a little confused as to how a post was replied to you without being put on the message board.  Did you give a personal email address?  I don't see any in your initial post.  

Let me know.

All the best,

Jane

Yes Jane I thought that was odd because all messages need to be on the same thread. I had 2 messages from him but can only access them from the email sent by him which gives the link to IrelandXO.. They are not showing up on this thread but a separate thread. At no point have I given out my email except on here. 
 

Jill

Hi Jane, I have just found that on the 1911 census Julia states she was born at Burntwood Tipperary. I've looked at it many times over the years but never noticed before. So that confirms that! Over all census returns her birth year seems to be 1848/9 so I think she must be Ann. Does that sound feasible? How can I find out more about her? Are there any census returns for Cloughjordan at all that have survived? That they were very strong Catholics is the only other thing I know.  Jill

Hi Jilly:

That's great news.  I"m going to speak with Paddy and let him know about that.  That might help with the research.  Unfortunately, there are no census returns early than 1901 other than extracts.  I don't believe that Cloughjordan has earlier returns.  Paddy is the person that should know that.  I'll get back to you  

All the best,  

Jane

Hi Jane,

Further things that I have found out - Winifred Touhy 1839, who was the first of Rody and Alices children and who I had reason to believe was linked to me by dna, I found living in Stockport England in 1881 with her daughter Sarah Toohey ( so maybe she was born out of wedlock ) at the home of Bridget Mary Toohey who was her sister. The births of the sisters are recorded as Burnwood Ireland. There is no mention of Bridget Mary's birth that has turned up from James, as there is also no mention of my great grandmother Julia's birth either.  I sent away for Bridget Mary's marriage certificate to Edmund Hamer 1881 and it lists her father as Roger Toohey a labourer deceased. I then found a Julia Tovey who married a John Foley and their marriage certificate in 1871 in Macclesfield Cheshire England states her father also as Roger Tovey a labourer deceased . One of the witnesses is her brother Matthew Tovey that James found in the records as born 1851. All signatures signed with a X

My great grandmother remarried after the death of my great grandfather John Foley in 1906 to Barhtolemew Mc Andrew and the marriage certificate states again her father was Roger Tooey. One of the witnesses is Winfred Tooey signed by a X.

On all the censuses that I have found with Julia's age they vary her birth from 1846, 1848, 1849, 1852. On her marriage certificate she is 27 in 1871

Its very confusing with all the variations of the surname Touhy. On the birth certificates of Julia's children the surname is written down as Tue, Tua, Tuey and Julia's mark of a cross. 
 

It's getting very exciting after so many years of knowing nothing, Jill

Hi Jilly:

I have sent you an email and Paddy should be making contact with you directly.  If you don't hear from him in a week or so, please get back to me.

Stay safe and well.

All the best,

Jane

I haven't received an email from you Jane. -Pease could you send again? 

Hi Jane,  I haven't received an email from you I wonder where it was sent to? And I haven't heard from Paddy either. You said to let you know, Jill

Hi Jilly:

I will follow up with Paddy.  Thanks for keeping on top of this.  

All the best,

Jane

It's possible that Thomas fathers name was Patrick. Other names possibly linked are Hogan/Guilfoyle/Ryan. Good morning from Sydney Australia.

Forgive me for dropping in on this thread.

Ive been researching the Toohey family for years and always seem to get a dead end when I look at Cloughjordan, which is listed on my Great great grandfathers death Certificate.

Thomas Toohey was born approx. 1825/26 in or near Cloughjordan, County Tipperary, Ireland. His parents were Patrick Toohey and Bridget (Scully/Kelly - undecipherable). He travelled to Australia some time before 1856 and settled in Morpeth NSW. Thomas married Elizabeth (Eliza) Crowe on 3 March 1856 at St Josephs Catholic church at East Maitland, NSW. They are both recorded as belonging to the Roman Catholic Church. Eliza Crowe was born approximately 1836 near Ennis, County Clare, Ireland. Witnessing the marriage was Ann Crowe (probably Eliza's sister)  and Francis Maguire. 

Other names possibly linked are Hogan/Guilfoyle/Ryan who appear to have travelled to Australia about the same time and settled in the same small town in New South wales (Morpeth) 

Regards, 

Peter Toohey

Sydney Australia