Looking for the records of John Martin born about 1820 . He was married to " Margaret" and had Charlotte in the 1840's & John in 1852/3 and possibly Thomas in 1850. Charlotte married Edward Baldwin , I have researched and found her marriage and the births of her children on irishgeneology.ie st Andrews. John jnr married Margaret Rohan in Liverpool St Silas and returned to the parish of St Andrews in 1881. I have records from the 1850's on in St Andrews but can't find anything before this date that is soild.. St Silas was CoE but Margaret was RC as I believe was John Jnr. Charlotte was RC. On John UK marriage cert he listed his father as John Martin a waiter. Charlotte was married 1864 St Andrews and I believe her mother was dead. John Jnr & Margaret had a son Edward ( Eamon) born 1892 he was a veteran of 1916 and rumoured to have been Dev's quartermaster ? .They were life long friends anyway. Eamon was also close to Mother Mary Martin of MMM. they acknowledged they were cousins and he visited her once a month until his death. I have research but cannot find the link as yet. I have researched her family and know that her Martin's were TC Martin connect to John Martin & Son's Timber merchants. Sir Richard Martin was her uncle. Her GGgrandfater was also a John Martin born in 1746 in Cavan I believe. ( to Africa with Love) He had 2 son's John & James born end of 18th Century. John married Esther( Hester) Shannon and James married her sister Mary. Eamon's grandmother was a Margaret OBrien and I am told Mother Mary also had O'Brien ancestors. Can you help break down this brick wall ?
Sunday 31st Mar 2013, 07:58AM
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Hello Ingrid,
You could try checking the land records called the Tithe Applotment Books (1823-38) http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp or the later Griffith's Valuation (1848-64) http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
The Tithe Applotment List might be of use to you, or at least interesting for you. These lists constitute the only nationwide survey for the period, and are valuable because the heaviest burden of the tithes to the Established Church, the Church of Ireland, fell on the poorest, for whom few other records survive. The information in the Tithes is quite basic, typically consisting of townland name, landholder's name, area of land and tithes payable. Many Books also record the landlord's name and an assessment of the economic productivity of the land. The tax payable was based on the average price of wheat and oats over the seven years up to 1823, and was levied at a different rate depending on the quality of land. For Parishes where the registers do not begin until after 1850, this information can be useful, as they are often the only surviving early records. They can provide valuable circumstantial evidence, especially where a holding passed from father to son in the period between the Tithe survey and Griffith's Valuation.
I don’t know if this is your Eamon/ Edward Martin,
http://www.bureauofmilitaryhistory.ie/reels/bmh/BMH.WS0591.pdf#page=2
But if it is he is a person of note historically and is a subject of discussion on a few forums.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=80003514
I see that a few posters are related to him, perhaps some of their research information matches with yours?
Best regards Michael.
Tuesday 23rd Apr 2013, 10:37AM