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I am trying to confirm where my maternal 3rd great grandfather, Martin Maher, emigrated from. He was born in 1821 and most likely had come to America by 1841. His oldest child was born in Cambria County, Pennsylvania in December of 1841. He died in January, 1850.

My research so far and a dna match has him connected to a Thomas Maher (Meagher). Thomas had married Margaret Bowen in Dunkerrin in 1835 and had six children baptised in Moneygall between 1836 and 1845. By 1850, he and his family were living in Cambria County. Thomas and Martin might be brothers.

I have not been able to find a baptismal record that would definitively place Martin in Moneygall/northern Tipperary or parents for him and Thomas. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

William Alt

Wjalt

Monday 4th Apr 2022, 09:15PM

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  • The following Mahers in Dunkerrin (and one in Moneygall in Cullenwaine) are listed in the Tithe Applotment records. They were living there in 1824 and 1825. One is named Martin.
    See the records at http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/index.jsp

    Maher John Castleroane Dunkerrin King's 1825
    Maher Martin Castleroane Dunkerrin King's 1825
    Maher John Castleroane Dunkerrin King's 1825
    Maher Michael Clashagad Dunkerrin King's 1825
    Maher Clashagad Dunkerrin King's 1825
    Maher Phillip Clashagad Dunkerrin King's 1825
    Maher Mathew Ballyslea Dunkerrin King's 1825
    Maher Thomas Ballynamoe Dunkerrin King's 1825
    Maher Daniel Montore Dunkerrin King's 1825
    Maher Daniel Gurteen Dunkerrin King's 1825
    Maher John Rathnavogue Dunkerrin King's 1825
    Maher Darby Rathnavogue Dunkerrin King's 1825

    Maher John Moneygall Cullenwaine King's 1824

    I hope this is helpful.

    Patricia

    Monday 4th Apr 2022, 09:51PM
  • Hello and Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out

    Moneygall is in the Parish of Dunkerrin, Registration district is Roscrea. 

    It is on the border of Offaly and Tipperary, which always makes it a bit more difficult to trace

    I did find a Thomas Maher who married a Margaret Bown in March 1835 (record attached)

    There are a good few Maher names on the next page of that Parish Reg (also attached)

    Geraldine Buckley-Smith, Ireland XO Volunteer

    Monday 4th Apr 2022, 10:14PM
  • Sorry forgot to attach the other records 

    Geraldine Buckley-Smith, Ireland XO Volunteer

    Monday 4th Apr 2022, 10:19PM
  • William I have searched the Monegal Parish registar looking for Martins baptism record but cannot find it, is it definately 1821

    Monegal starts in 1821 for Baptism

    There are a good few Mahers/Meaghers and even Bowen records but I cannot see a Martin

    Geraldine Buckley-Smith, Ireland XO Volunteer

    Monday 4th Apr 2022, 10:41PM
  • Attached Files

    Actually William

    At the bottom left of the attached file there is a Baptism record and I think it looks like Martin -  June 1822

    I cannot make out the Fathers name, Mothers name Betty Meagher and the townland is the next word

    But the more I look at it - I think I am wrong are they the Godparents

    See what you think

    Geraldine Buckley-Smith, Ireland XO Volunteer

    Monday 4th Apr 2022, 10:46PM
  • Geraldine Buckley-Smith, Ireland XO Volunteer

    Monday 4th Apr 2022, 10:50PM
  • Maybe we should look for Thomas instead of Martin and try and find his parents names, have you tried this

    Geraldine Buckley-Smith, Ireland XO Volunteer

    Monday 4th Apr 2022, 10:51PM
  • Actually we probably wont find Thomas, if he got married in 1835 and records only start in 1820/21 - he would be too old for the records

    Have you had much luck with the DNA match

    There are a few DNA/Matchmaker groups on Facebook for Offaly and Tipperary

    Geraldine Buckley-Smith, Ireland XO Volunteer

    Monday 4th Apr 2022, 11:00PM
  • Thank you Patricia and Geraldine for your research. It is very helpful. It is difficult to tell if the baptismal record you posted is for Martin. It does look like a listing for godparents but I am not sure. I am speculating on Martin's birth year. In the mortality schedule for the 1850 U.S. census, he is listed as dying in January at the age of 28. This led me to believe he would have turned 29 sometime in 1850 making him born in 1821. Since there is no way of knowing if he was actually 28 in January, 1850, there is a chance he could have been born 1819-1824?

    I came to focus on Dunkerrin Parish as the location of Martin's birth because of the dna match on Ancestry. The dna match had a Robert William Maher in his family tree that I was able to show was the son of Roger "Roddy" Maher and the grandson of Thomas Maher from Moneygal, Dunkerrin Parish. I believe that Martin is connected to Thomas but I haven't found the documentation. Also, how likely is it that Thomas had his family in Dunkerrin but that he and Martin were born elsewhere in Ireland? How far would tenant farm families move within Ireland in the first half of the 19th century? Should I widen my search out from Dunkerrin?

    Another piece of the puzzle might be a William Maher born around 1800. He shows up in the 1840 U.S. census and I think I have been able to connect him to a baptismal record for a James Maher in 1835 in Moneygall. He could be a much older brother/uncle to Martin.  I am less inclined to think he is the missing father but Martin does not seem to have resided with him according to the 1840 census. The census at that time only listed heads of households but it doen't show a male of Martin's age living in this household. Martin may have still come with him to America. 

    Thank you for all your help. Family research often seems like a wild goose chase but I do like it!

     

    Wjalt

    Tuesday 5th Apr 2022, 03:43PM

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