McArdle's

Hi Again Kath, I will try a few searches but can you confirm a year or a period for the marriage etc. also the religion of the people as that helps for which records to look under.

Regards

Pat

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Hi Kath I see the 2nd marriage in 1878 but his fathers name is not clear to me. He married Alice in 1873, she is from the neighbouring townland of 1 Carrickedmond, See https://www.townlands.ie/louth/ They had 3 children at least, Henry 1873, Ellen 1876 and James in 1875; 

I see 4 Alice McArdle deaths on Irish genealogy but the images are not available but they can be ordered online, I think it is only €1 or maybe €4 but do not purchase a full copy at €20 as this is only required for legal purposes. The person present at death may give assistance but if it occurred in a hospital you will just get the manager.

I located 13 baptisms for a John McArdle and Cath Coburn, also one for a Kate Coburn, I looked at Irish Genealogy to get some of the certs and attach, the 13 hits are 

Sarah 1888  Co. Louth    

Cornelius     1886  Co. Louth    

Thos  1890  Co. Louth    

Joseph         1885  Co. Louth    

Mary  1884  Co. Louth    

Hugh 1893  Co. Louth    

James 1883  Co. Louth    

Patrick         1883  Co. Louth    

Bernard       1882  Co. Louth    

Catherine    1881  Co. Louth    

Anne  1896  Co. Louth    . 

Mary  1880  Co. Louth    

Bridget        1879  Co. Louth    

You may want to check the full civil cert as there is another McArdle / Coburn marriage. Also the baptisms of two of the children contained notes, this was often done when the person married out of the parish. Under John born 1887 it just says J McDonnell while under Anne it says Eugene Larkin St Albans witness's John Rafferty and Mary Durnin (Durnin is a Louth Name).

I hope that is the information required. Some certs attached.

Regards
Pat

I found out that John was born about 1841. His father was James a farmer from Monascreebe. Yes the note under Ann about Eugene Larkin . Eugene was her first husband they married in Liverpool . John'ss first wife Alice died 1876. On John children's certificates the father is listed as John but on some of them the informant is a James. Maybe James is another brother. I have found old documents online (court and wills) for a John McArdle from Monascreebe with a witness as Mathew McArdle from Monascreebe. So maybe I have another brother. Again the problem I have here. I can't find John McArdle mum's name. Thanks for checking these for me.

Kath, I have looked at Griffiths valuation and see a Charles McArdle with two plots of land in Monascreebe, Ballymascanlan. See http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=place… put in Ballymacscanlan as the place name in Louth, he had two landlords a William and Philip Skelton. He may have bought the land in the Land Purchase Scheme toward the end of the 1800s. You can also find a Michael Coburn in Carrickedmund in 1854 too, only Coburn there. 

If  you are interested you can use the above to locate the actual holding from the map icon and the plot number obtained from the first pop up tab, up to date mapping here http://map.geohive.ie/

the main site is here but is not responding just now. https://www.osi.ie/ 

Regards
Pat

Hi Kath, I noted you posted a reply here but unfortunatly the site went down for maintenance and your messsage disappeared into cyber space. My only memory of it was a mention of Philipstown and a marriage. Now there are 3 Philipstowns in Louth, one a parish but I think you are referring to a Philipstown near Monascreebe which is just a small townland (came up previously as there is a Philipstown House of a Bell family) See if interested. https://www.philipstownhouse.com/history.html

If you repost we can have a look for any relevant records.

Regards

Pat

I got talking to a member of the McArdle family and I have found out the following. James McArdle also had a son called Owen born 1845 and another called Bernard born 1855. Bernard married Sarah Ann McGee on 23 Jan ,1880 in Haggardstown. Bernards residence on the certificate is Shortstone. Sarah's residence is Philipstown. I found a record online stating Bernard's birth place is Castle Roche Cross Roads and his death 1893. There was no knowledge of James's wife unfortunately.

HI Kath

the only Owen or Bernards I can find are not born in those years. The most suitable Owen is born in 1841 in Upper Creggan with mother Alice and father James, it is recorded under County Armagh but I think the parish straddled both counties. The Owen born in 1845 has a father Bryan and was born in Mullacrew near Tallanstown not too far away but not correct in my view.

The only Bernards recorded that I see are also in Armagh though not in Upper Creggan and were born in 1852, none in Louth plus or minus 10 years or around Ireland.  Father also James but mothers were Anne Cassidy and Ellen Nugent. 

Where did you find the record for Bernard. Also he was 36 when he died so possible birth 1857 but 1855 is near enough to allow for error in recording.

Regards
Pat

I am using this information from a copy of a family tree i was showed  by a member of the McArdle family which i only came aware of. I took a screenshot of it. This tree has an Owen, and a Bernard. It shows that Bernard was married to a  Sarah Ann and then to a Mary-Anne McAlister. On both Bernard's marriage certificates it shows his residence as Shortstone. It also says he is a farmer. It also shows children for Bernard and Mary-Anne.  There is a record for a Brigid Teresa one of his children.. It shows her parents  Bernard and Mary-Anne are from Shortstone. I cant find anything to connect Owen to Shortstone or to Bernard, John or their father James. I found a record on find a grave for Bernard McArdle. This gives birth place, death place and burial details. It also mentions his spouses.

I have also just got John McArdle's first wife death certificate who died in 1876 which states James McArdle is present at death and his residence Monescribe.

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Hi Kath, I am not keeeping up as there is a lot of other stuff going on here, I have revisited the data and I think Shortstone is probably a cousins family as there are often the same names used for children to honour the partcular parent or grandparent etc. I am trying to stick to the paper trail and have looked up the following which is on Irish Genealogy.

Alice O'Neill had 3 children, Henry; James and Ellen. Ellen was registered on 5th September 1876 (her baptism might show her actual birth date if she was born somewhat earlier as there was a fine for not registering in timely manner). Her poor mother Alice died in the 4th Quarter of 1876 but the certifiate is not currently available to see, this may be rectified shortly. Ellens registration of birth is interesting as the father is John but she was registered by james who is listed as the occupier, I take this to be the perso in control of the place she was born in Monascreebe, the person who owned or rented the land. So probably James worked for his father on the farm and lived there too.

I also searched for the death of James and found two for Monascreebe, interesting for two reasons, one was a James in 1892 aged 59 who died n Monascreebe and he was a batchelor, his sister Bridget McGinn was present at death in Monascreebe. Could he be Johns brother and now you alos have a sister.

The next James McArdle is in my view the daddy of them all James died 1881 in Monascreebe a widower and a farmer, present at death is a Dominic Rodgers I think but no relationship noted. He is listed as 83 years so born in 1798. 

I attach the two certificates. Sorry for the variant spelling of Monascreebe.

Regards

Pat

 

 

I have found out that my grannys mother Catherine McArdle nee Coburn from Monascribe died in 1903. In the 1911 census my granny Annie is not with her father and siblings but I found her living with a Mary Rogers aged 63 who has a daughter named Mary Anne aged 8. Annie was then 14. I found a marriage for James Rogers and Mary McArdle in faughart 13 Feb 1867. Mary's father is James and James's father is Dominick. Dominick was present at James McArdle's death in 1881 in Monascribe.I assume Mary is my granny's aunt. The death certificate for James in 1892 whose sister was at his death. I found her marriage certificate and her father was a Charles McArdle. Maybe Charles and James senior are brothers.

Mary Anne Rogers was 18 on census not 8

Hello Kath, what is outstanding on this query now, we have covered a lot of ground and I am unsure where you wish to proceed to or if you are content to date. Lets know please.

Regards

Pat

Sorry about the late reply. Thanks for all your help.

All Kath, Pat

Wondering was there any further developements on above conversation since last post. Appreciate its quite old now. The John McArdle queried is my great great grandfather. I have worked on a family tree and have John listed along with both wives. But like original poster I cannot find any info on his mother. I have James McArdle listed as his father. 

 

John's daughter Bridget is my great grandmother - my father's granny. I have 17 listed children for John. 3 from first marriage, 14 from Cath Coburn. 

 

I had linked James McArdle to an Ellen Johnson but no concrete eveidence on this so cant be sure. One of Johns children from 1st marriage was named Ellen which I thought was maybe named after his mother, but it was a loose link.

So if there was any new details since this original post I would love to hear.

 

Regards

Mark 

I just saw this message, unfortunately Mark I don't really have enough information to be sure who is John's mother.

Kathleen

No problem Kath, appreciate the reply

If I ever find out anything I will definitely get back to you.

Kathleen.

If I ever find out anything I will definitely get back to you.

Kathleen.

Too many Kathys or Kathleens. I am both so maybe best to call me KC. Though I am looking for McArdle here I am also looking for William Maguire who married Ellen McArdle who was born in 1840 to James and Alice McArdle in Armagh. My brother could never get past that  William and Ellen went to the United States somehow. It would be wonderful to find out something concrete about James and Alice McArdle and also William Maguire who was born in 1833.I hope I see how to see a response!