Noon family

Carolyn:

You are correct that most Noon/Noone families are from Connacht province mainly Galway, Roscommon and Mayo.

Many RC parishes in the west of Ireland including the three counties mentioned do not have baptismal records back to 1825. Claremorris for example has baptismal records starting in 1835.

I did look at the subscription site Roots Ireland and they have 22 Patrick Noon/Noone baptismal records from 1820-1826 in Galway, Mayo etc. but without knowing his parents names, there is no way to confirm a record.

I did locate the 1845 marriage record of Michael Noon to Winifred Meath in Kilcolman/Claremorris parish but no other info.

I think as a starting point assume that all the Noons came from the Claremorris area.

Have you taken a DNA test? If you have not take a test, I would consider a test. You will get matches and maybe you can find descendants of some of the other Noons you listed who might have more info on the origins of their family.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Roger McDonnell

Within the Irish Roman Catholic Baptismal Records, there are 31 Patrick Noons listed as baptized between 1823 and 1830 in Connacht, 13 of these were in Roscommon and 2 in Sligo.  The closest possible date to your Patrick, was a Patrick Noone, baptized 27 February 1827 in Croghan, Roscommon.  His father was Patrick, also, and his mother was Winifred Handberry.  

A check of the immigration records showed a Patt Noone, age 23, who arrived in New York on 28 October 1850 on the Esmeraldo.  Mary and ‘Cathe’ Noon were on the same ship and were perhaps his sisters.  This entry is the closest to be found to the age and arrival date seen in the census for this family. 

In Canada, the nearest entry was that of a Pat Noone, born 1830/31, who arrived from Cagglebeg, Connacht.  There were also Campbells on the same ship.  A side note, there are two entries for P, one L, one C, three Johns, and two entries for Matthew Noon listed in the 1826 Tithe Appointment Book of Cagglebeg in the Parish of Kilbride, the county of Roscommon, in the province of Connacht.  These records are on line.

Of the 5 Noon families who settled in LaSalle, Illinois early on, all 5 men were born between 1825 and 1827.

Would any of this information provide clues as to the family that I am researching?

In Griffith's Valuation (mid-1800's), there were four Noone tenants or landholders listed in Kilcolman parish (Claremorris), whom you can see listed at this link:

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNam…

Even if your Patrick had left by then, one or more of those men might have been his father or an uncle (note that one was also named Patrick).

Interestingly, there was only one Meath family listed in Kilcolman:

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNam…

In case those Campbells were related to you, note that there is a chance that they were also from Mayo, and possibly from near Claremorris.  I have Campbell relatives from the neighboring parish of Killedan, and the Campbell's go pretty far back in Mayo.  In Griffith's Valuation, there were 128 of them listed in Mayo.  Four were in Killedan, but none in Kilcolman:

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNam…

The Clan Campbell originated in Scotland, and Campbell’s are found extensively in Ulster among the descendants of Scottish settlers brought in during the Plantation of Ulster in the 17th Century.  However, a branch of the Scottish Campbell’s had come to what is now Mayo earlier in the Middle Ages as “gallowglasses” (gallóglaigh in Irish); foreigners who were brought in to fight for one side or the other in local wars.  While the Scottish and Ulster Campbell’s would be predominantly Protestant (except as noted below), the ones in Mayo are descended from people who came before the Reformation, and they have largely remained Catholic (as my Campbell relatives did).

The Scottish surname is based on the Scottish Gaelic caim beul, which means “crooked mouth” (cam béal in Irish).  In Ireland, surnames of Gaelic origin (as opposed to ones of Norman or other origin) were almost always based on the name, the nickname, or a characteristic of a real or legendary ancestor, and that was often true in Scotland as well.  They can sometimes look very pejorative to us now, but were probably not meant to be back when they were created.

Some Scottish Campbell gallowglasses also settled in the Middle Ages in what is now Donegal, and there was an unrelated native Irish sept (or tribe) nearby, in what is now Tyrone, whose name was also anglicized as Campbell, but is based on the Gaelic name Mac Cathmhaoil, meaning “descendant of the battle chief”.  These latter two groups would also mostly have remained Catholic, though some might have converted after the Plantation of Ulster.

There was definitely communication between the two parishes [Kilcolman (Claremorris) and Killedan (Kiltimagh)], because one set of my great-grandparents consisted of a husband from Killedan and a wife from Kilcolman, and one of their granddaughters married a man named Campbell in Killedan.  Some Campbell's have also appeared as baptismal sponsors in my family in Killedan, and I have a good number of Campbell DNA matches (in Ireland and Scotland).  I don't have any known Noon relatives, but some of them also appeared as baptismal sponsors, though in yet another nearby parish (Killasser), so I may have Noon connections.  I and several second and third cousins in/from that area have had our DNA tested, in case you have as well and want to compare results.

The surname Noon, by the way, is Ó Nuadháin in Irish.  The origin of the name is uncertain, but one theory is that it is based on the name of an ancient sea goddess, Nuadha.  The Ó Nuadháin sept is traditionally said to be descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages and, as Roger said, is found all over Connacht.  The surname Meath/Math in Ireland is mostly of Scottish origin, but there was an Irish sept which used the surname Mac Máighe (based on an old form of the Biblical name Matthew), and that surname was anglicized in various ways, including Mac Meath, Mac Math, and Mac Mawe.  I don't think the name originated in Mayo, which could explain why so few were shown there, but people from other areas often migrated to Mayo, especially in the 17th Century,  

In case you want to look for other relatives in the Kilcolman/Claremorris area, the parish records which are available online can be accessed at this link, and you can use the interactive map there to move on to nearby parishes as well (such as Killedan):

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1056

The names and boundaries of Catholic parishes and those of the civil parishes (which are administrative districts) are not always the same, but in the case of Kilcolman they are the same, and you can find more info about the civil parish at this link, which includes a list of the townlands within the civil parish:

https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/kilcolman2/

Since there appear to have been only a few Noon families in Kilcolman in the mid-1800's and only one Meath family (based on the info above), if you manage to find one or more baptismal records for Noon's or Meath's in the parish register, even if they are from a later period, the entries may indicate the townlands where the families lived, and you could then check out those townlands in that list mentioned above, to see where your ancestors may have lived.

Hi Kevin!

I was intrigued by your discussion regarding Campbells and particularly the Donegal group. I don't want to hijack Carolyn's thread so could you e-mail me at my IRO address  castlemore@irelandxo.com and we can continue the discussion offline. Thanks!

Roger

If you do not have definate handed down information it is unlikely to verify a correct record. You will unfortunately find it next to impossible to find the home town of your ancestor. I could be wrong if DNA tracing advances in strides. There is a Veterinary practise in Claremorris by the name of John P Noone. The closest parish to Claremorris in Co. Roscommon is Kiltullagh which is only 15k or so from Claremorris. In that parish there were Noone families in the following townlands:-

Coolcam,                     14 Jul 1856 Francis Noone married Ellen Nestor from Dunmore, Co. Galway. also a John Noone had married a Mary Keherney

Castle Quarter            Prior to 1840 John Noone had married Sabina Loftus   also a Patrick Noone had married a Bridget Walsh by 1844

Mount Delvin.              John Noone had married a Mary Kerigan by 1846 

In Claremorris there is a marriage record of Pat Noone to a Bridget Halligan on the 15 Sep 1823 I will attach the link which is from the National Library of Ireland (NLI). There is one microfilm that has a number of Marriage records for various parishes in the dioseces of Tuam. Claremorris is one of many parishes in this dioceses. This Noone record is on Page 74 LHS Microfilm number is 04222/03  These are the oldest known records unless the individual parish has older records. They are all viewable free in the NLI site under Parish registers. 

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000637417#page/74/mode/1up

The record is on the 7th line down Page 74 LHS

Hello... My great great Grandfather, John Noon, immigrated through Boston on 1/16/1850.  I am pretty sure he had a brother named Patrick.  This family of Noons settled in Pickaway County, Ohio.