Patrick HINDS/HYNES and Eliza GILMORE

Hi Mike

The Griffith's is a good census substitute http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/galway/dunmore.htm

However I could not find any Hynes there and the only Hynes in the Dunmore 1901 census is a boarder : http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Dunmore/Dunmore__Part_of_Barrack_St__/1399002/

There are plenty of Gilmores in the area including my own relatives family : http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Carrownagur/Killuney/1379691/

The usual naming of first born son after the boy's grandfather would give that name possibly

Best of luckin your research

Martin

Hi Martin, thanks for taking the time to look at Griffiths for me - much appreciated.

The problem of course is that Patrick may not have originated in Dunmore.  I only know that he was married there in 1844 and that his first two children were born there.  It may well simply be his wife's home parish.

Your comment about the naming of the first son is interesting.  I believe that Patrick and Eliza had their first child, a son Peter, in 1845, Dunmore; he died in 1847, Newtown Forbes. I'm fairly sure that Eliza's father was a shepherd: Peter GILMORE.

I'll keep searching!

Regards.

Mike Ebbs.

Hi Mike 

No worries

You mention Newtown Forbes Is that where the family lived ? That is quite a distance from Dunmore Co Galway 

It would be unusual for a family to be in Dunmore in 1845 and Newtown Forbes in 1847 - is there a family story about how that happened

Martin

Hi Martin, further to your comment : "It would be unusual for a family to be in Dunmore in 1845 and Newtown Forbes in 1847".

From Irish Roots I have details of Patrick HINDS/HYNES marriage to Eliza GILMORE 16 Dec 1844 and then the birth of a child, Peter, 8 March 1845 with Patrick and Eliza named as parents.  As I was unable to find any trace of Peter in the UK Census records after Patrick/Eliza moved to the mainland around 1850 I searched Irish Roots for a death entry 1850 +/_ 5 and found only one: Peter HYNDES 15 Feb 1847 in Clonteaugh, Newton Forbes.  Unfortuneatly, the death record gives no age data so I can't be sure it's "my" Peter.

Peter's younger sister, Ann, was born in 1847 and she states in the 1911 UK Census that she was born in Dunmore, Galway, but, I have no confirmation of this from a church register.  Perhaps the family had started their emigration by 1847 and had reached Newton Forbes?

Any comments appreciated.

Best regards.

Mike

Hi

I have Hynes family from the area of Kiltormer, Ballinasloe (East Galway.)  Mary Hynes married my grandfather Patrick Silke c.1931.

Regards

Maria Silke

Hi Maria, thanks for your message.

I can see that Kiltormer is not too far from the place (Dunmore) where my great great grandfather, Patrick HINDS/HYNES married Eliza GILMORE in 1844.

You say that a Mary HYNES married your grandfather in about 1931.  Do you have any details of Mary's parents?

Regards.

Mike.

Mike 

Kiltormer was quite a distance from Dunmore in the 1840s for someone to meet and marry - normally people woulkd have matches arranged and it was very normal that people married within 1 - 2 miles away 

You mentioned that they moved to the mainland - Dunmore is a distance from any island and if there is a family story about moving to the mainland then it is possible that they may have lived on one of the islands in Lough Corrib

Having a record on Irish Roots sadly could be a red herring - and people have been led astray by a record for two similar named people before where it was incorrect

Best look at seeing what you have and if you have stories similar to them coming to the mainland then youmay have to look at places close to islands 

All the best

Martin

Hi Martin, thanks for your comments.

I accidentally misled you when I said: "Patrick/Eliza moved to the mainland around 1850".  This is not a family story I just meant that they moved to England or Scotland.  I said mainland because I'm not sure if they lived first in Scotland then England or vice versa. Sorry about the confusion.

I take your point about: " people have been led astray by a record for two similar named people", however, that's all I have to go on.

Thanks again.

Best regards.

Mike.

Sorry Mike

Confused about your comment  'moved to the mainland' - were they living in England and Scotland then ?  and not in Ireland ? Were they living on an island off the coast of Scotland or England? Which one ? I thought that you had them located in Ireland ? 

Martin

Hi Martin,

To clarify: 

According to the English Census 1871, 1881 and 1891 Patrick, Eliza and seven children lived in County Durham. I have also found them, earlier, in 1861; Patrick is in Alston, England and Eliza and the children are in Scotland, near Dumfries.

In addition, I have found an entry in the 1851 Scottish Census which shows Patrick and his eldest daughter, Ann, living in Sunnybrai, about 20 miles from Dumfries.  The problem is that Patrick's age looks like "abt 20" when it should be around 30. I cannot find Eliza in the 1851 Census for England or Scotland.

All of the above census records show that both Patrick and Eliza are from Ireland. and the 1881 entry shows them both as born in Galway, Ireland.

Roots Ireland have a marriage entry for Patrick HYNES and Eliza GILMORE 1844, Dunmore. There are also entries in Roots Ireland for two children: Peter born 1845, Dunmore and Ann born 1847, Dunmore - in both cases the parents are Patrick HYNES/Eliza GILMORE.  Note also that, in the 1911 English Census, Ann gives her birth details as 1847, Dunmore.

I am now trying to find out more about Patrick and Eliza and their parents and was hoping that someone might have access to the Dunmore church records.

I'm sorry it's a bit confusing.  It's like trying to do a jigsaw with half of the pieces missing!

Best regards

Mike.

Sorry what was confusing was the term 'mainland'- I was unsure of what you meant  by that

In Ireland we speak of the European mainland for off Ireland and 'mainland'being used for the rest of the island when coming from one of the islands We would never use it in the way you seem to use it to describe the British Isles as the 'mainland' as they are also islands - that was what was confusing as it seemed that they were from one of the British isles going to Britian rather than being from Ireland Glad you cleared that up

I will see if I can get a cousin to drop by the presbytery in Dunmore to have a look - it may take a bit of a time You could also contact them via email or regular post: 

FR Fergal Cunnane PP, Parochial House, Dunmore 093-38124.

Email: newsletter@dunmoreparish.ie

Best of luck

Martin

Hi Martin,

It's very generous of you to ask your cousin - even if " it may take a bit of time". 

If I can do any look ups for you in return just let me know.

Best regards.

Mike, Bolton, England.