Hi,
for years I've been trying to find ancestors on my dad's side: his mother Augusta, her father-Daniel Hallan, born in Kansas or Ohio, USA. Daniel's father is Patrick.
Patrick interests me, have been for years, he and his wife, and her family as well.
Patrick was from Ireland, maybe Clare, never came to USA. However, I've run across sites listing O'Halloran or Halloran as the name. I cannot find any Hallan, Hallen, etc., in Ireland. Loads of O'Halloran's and Halloran's. Where can I find the truth,
was Patrick an O' Halloran or Halloran and changed his name to Hallan/Hallen before sailing from Ireland, or somehow getting to Liverpool to sail from there in 1850(or about then), on the ship Princeton,
can I find the manifest before he left Ireland to see his given last name, possible papers listing his parents, where they lived, etc., or when he arrived in Liverpool to leave from there and and the same info possibly listed?
Or if he's an O'Halloran, et al.,what ship, other info?
I very much want to find this info for myself, but mostly for my young grandchildren. I have a few very serious medical issues, so timing is important as I've been searching for years. Hopefully I've searched in the wrong places, and someone here can guide me.
Patrick, in some places, lists him as a Jr., and married Mary Grogan. His birth around 1830, (maybe Clare) with arrival in New York around 1850 on the ship Princeton from Liverpool.
Other places list Patrick Halloran.
My Ancestry info have my ancestors from: Dublin, Cork, Clare, Galway, Limerick, Kerry, Waterford, Tipperary, Donegal.
I know this is like finding a needle in a haystack, and believe me, I'm covered in hay!
If I could find documentation of birhtplace, his parents, grans, etc., would be amazing.
Tess
p.s I've checked: Family Search, My Heritage.
Beachy
Wednesday 16th Mar 2022, 08:18PMMessage Board Replies
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One of the first things I learned doing Irish genealogy was that spellings of names were quite inconsistent. People were illiterate, they didn't know how to spell the name, the person writing it down wrote down what they heard, people had accents that the scribe had trouble understanding.
In my own family research, I've found (O')Reilly, (O'),Riley, (O')Riely, (O')Reily, Rahilly; Stewart, Stuart, Steward; Hagerty, Hegarty, Haggerty, Hagarty, and more. So if you find an ancestor with the correct name, the correct date, the correct birthplace, the correct children...but a variation in spelling, I would forget the spelling. I hope this is helpful.
Patricia
Wednesday 16th Mar 2022, 10:40PM -
What was Augusta's maiden name?
Her children's names?
Where did they live?
Approx birth, marriage, death dates for Augusta and Daniel?
Patricia
Wednesday 16th Mar 2022, 10:46PM -
You have an impossible task. Hallan most likely would not be O'Halloran/Halloran. Irish names and Irish spellings are different from English for the simple reason that it is a different language. An English speaker hearing an Irish name might not be aware of the missing silent letters in a name. Hallan would more probably be Hallian, Hallinan, Halnon or the anglicized Allen.
reets
Wednesday 23rd Mar 2022, 03:56PM