Robert Reid of Carnteel, Aughnacloy

Valerie:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

I assume your Reid ancestors were Church of Ireland and not Presbyterian. The Church of Ireland records for Carnteel parish remain in local custody according to this listing.

https://www.ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/registers…

You may want to contact the parish  https://www.ireland.anglican.org/find-a-church/parish/10130/carnteel-st…; and see if they can assist with your questions about the releationship between Elizabeth and Anne, the name of their mother, etc. The records are also at the Public Record Office for Northern Ireland (PRONI) but a visit to Belfast would be needed.

Roger McDonnell

Roger

Many thanks for the information.  My Reid ancesters were Church of Ireland.

Valerie

Valerie,

Robert Reid is listed in Griffiths Valuation for 1860 as having plot 4 in Carnteel townland. That was a 25 acre farm. That farm today should be where the Glasdrummond and Lisconduff Roads meet in Carnteel village.

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameS…

Probate abstract from the PRONI wills site:

Letters of Administration of the personal estate of Robert Reid late of Carnteel County Tyrone Farmer who died 29 January 1885 at same place were granted at Armagh to Joseph Reid of same place Farmer a Son.

Robert died intestate (so he left no will) and the probate file was destroyed in the 1922 fire in Dublin. Only the abstract given above survives now.

Robert was 88 when he died at Carnteel. He was a widower. His death was registered by his son Joseph.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1885/06302/4806326.pdf

There are 5 other Reid probate abstracts on the PRONI wills site (for Reid from Carnteel) covering the years 1913 – 1964. https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-will-calendars

Joseph Reid in 1901:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Ballymagran/Carnteel/1733944/

1911:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Ballymagran/Carnteel/863447/

There are no Reids listed as farming in Carnteel townland in the 1827 tithe applotment records so the family may have acquired their farm there some time between that year and 1854 when Elizabeth first married.

https://cotyroneireland.com/tithe/carnteel.html

As Roger has said, the Carnteel Church of Ireland records are held by the Minister. You can write to him/her to see if they’ll look them up for you. They don’t have to do that but if they do agree to it, there’s normally a charge of around £19 per hour.  (Some Ministers are simply too busy to help with genealogical enquiries). Or you could get a researcher to look them up for you in PRONI. The records start in 1805.  Researchers in the PRONI area: http://sgni.net

Tradition was to marry in the bride’s church, so unless Carnteel Church of Ireland was also her church, you may not find Robert & his bride’s marriage there, but you would expect to find the childrens baptisms.

Getting back earlier than 1800 is pretty difficult in Ireland due to the lack of records.

Elwyn

Many thanks for this information.  It is very helpful.

Valerie

Valerie,

Protestant marriages were recorded as civil records from 1845-on, as well as being performed by ministers in local churches. So, there are TWO possible marriage records to find for any Protestant couple marrying from 1845-on: the civil record and church record.

All the Reid marriages you're researching in the 1850s-1860s will be in civil marriage registrations (or rather, should be. Sometimes they're missing!). Your first query indicates that you already have the full marriage records of several Reid ladies. I see in on-line indexes that these young ladies married at Aughnacloy Church of Ireland. Do you have copies of the civil records or the Aughnacloy church records? Both will have approximately the same information.

One way to identify a family group is to note the places of residence of bride or groom. Each of the brides would USUALLY be living in the parents' home, so the girls' residence at time of marriage will be the same if the girls were siblings. This is the TOWNLAND or village name, within the parish. Were the girls: Elizabeth Reid who married in 1854, and Anne Reid who married in 1865, from the same townland?

Civil registration indexes are on several web sites, including irishgenealogy.ie, LDS Family Search, and Ancestry.com. You can order (pay to view) original handwriteen copies of these records on the GRONI web site (General Register Office of Northern Ireland).

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/go-groni-online

I've researched several Reid families in County Tyrone, though not the one you're researching. I've also researched BEAVERS, and I do have some data on Ann(e) Reid and Robinson Beavers. They lived at Loughans townland in Carnteel parish, where they were counted in the 1901 and 1911 censuses. Robinson died in 1913, and his wife Ann died in 1933.

Robinson's will directed that a headstone be erected in Eglish Presbyterian Church graveyard. I took a photograph of it in 2007, a tall, upright tablet marker. The inscription is:

Erected by Ann Beavers,
in memory of her husband,
Robinson Beavers,
Loughans,
Who died March 27th, 1913,
Aged 71 years.

The above Ann Beavers,
Died Dec. 28th, 1933,
Aged 92 years.

Robinson Beavers
Died Jan. 15th, 1965.
His wife Maud
Died Jan. 4th, 1981.

I have more on the BEAVERS family if it will help you.

Regards,

Annie