Ross and Adams

Lin,

According to the rootsireland transcript, William & Annie married in Lisnaskea Church of Ireland on 11.8.1881. Both were 22. Neither had been married before. William’s address was Killynaugh. His occupation; farmer and police force Canada. Annie Elizabeth Adams lived in Lisnaskea. Her father was William a victualler and publican. William’s townland has probably been mistranscribed on the rootsireland site. I think the correct name is Killynamph. Griffiths Valuation for 1862 lists his father there on plot 2, a 24 acre farm. Today that’s just off the Newbridge Rd, on the way from Lisnaskea to Derrylin.

The family were gone from Killynamph by the 1901 census. Looking at the Revaluation records on the PRONI website, the tenant of the farm changes to reps of  James Ross, and then to Eleanor Ross, both in 1886. Indicating he had died by that year and probably his wife was the new occupant. She in turn is replaced by George Johnston in 1898, suggesting she too had died.

I see Ellen’s death on 2.4.1891, aged 79. She was a widow of a farmer. Informant was her daughter Harriett Ross of the same townland. Possible death for James Ross in 1877, aged 50. It’s not on-line yet and you would need to view the certificate on the GRONI website if you want the details.

This looks to be Harriet in the 1901 census.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Coleraine/Churchland__part_/1517767/

Harriett Florence Ross married George Elliott in 1902:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1902/10293/5746542.pdf

Family in 1911:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Fermanagh/Enniskillen_North/Church_Street_Pt__of/516282/

Probate abstracts from the PRONI wills site:

Elliott George of 14 Willoughby Place Enniskillen county Fermanagh retired merchant died 10 April 1932 Probate Belfast 21 July to George Elliott merchant and Charles Patterson shop assistant. Effects £3938 5s. 6d

Elliott Harriette Florence of 14 Willoughby Place Enniskillen county Fermanagh widow died 4 May 1942 Probate Belfast 27 August to George Elliott auctioneer and Herbert J.D. Moffitt justice of the peace and secretary. Effects £9458 11s. 1d.

Both the above wills should be in PRONI in paper format.

William & Annie’s births are before the start of statutory birth records (1864) and so you would need to search church  records to find them. Judging by Harriet’s denomination in the census and her choice of church when she married, the Ross family were Methodist at that date. However Lisnaskea Methodist church has no records earlier than 1873. That suggests the family were most probably Church of Ireland prior to that time. You may need to search Aghalurcher (Lisnaskea) Church of Ireland baptisms to find theirs. That probably will involve a trip to PRONI in Belfast to look them up.

Thank you so much, William was my great great grand father. He came to St. Thomas Ontario and was the chief of police for many years.  I think he came to Canada and then went back and married Annie, possible he went back because of his fathers death.   He was is the royal constabulary and h decision in London ..I believe, we could never find out anything abt his parents prior to your message. Through a daughters records in the USA I discovered Elsinore Ross was Ellen Dunbar but that’s as far as I got.  Thank you again!     Merry Christmas from Canada .....Linda

lin,

I had a look at the copy marriage certificate on the irishgenealogy site  (as opposed to the transcript on the rootsireland site) and find a slight difference for the 1881 marriage. William’s occupation was “Farmer & in the colonial police force” rather than “Canada”.  The irishgenealogy site version is a copy from the original, and might contain errors. If you want to see the original, go to the GRONI site. You’ll need to pay to view it, but it should resolve the correct wording and should give you the couples original signatures. Here’s the irishgenealogy copy:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1881/11011/8026102.pdf

You can view the original certificate on-line on the GRONI website, using the “search registrations” option:

https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk

You will need to open an account and buy some credits. It costs £2.50 (sterling) to a view a certificate.

I had a look for James Ross’s marriage to Ellen (Dunbar). The statutory on-line records for Ireland start in April 1845. I didn’t see it, and so assume they married before that. In which case you would need to search church records in PRONI to find it.

I looked in the tithe applotment records for 1833 and there were no Ross households farming in Killynamph then, so presumably James Ross acquired the farm there after that year.

http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/fermanagh/tithe-applotment-books/parish-of-aghalurcher.php#.XB4MARSqCns

The fact that William had to come back to Ireland to look after the farm suggests that he had no brothers to take over from his father, when his father’s health was failing.  However I have two more sisters. If you look at the 1881 marriage, you should see that the next marriage down was William’s sister Kate. She married David Eakins from Waterford. And then on 9.2.1889, Mary Ellen Ross married William Forster, a farmer from Glassdrummond.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10743/5917356.pdf

That the 2 sisters married in Lisnaskea Church of Ireland points to that being the family church and where you are likely to find their baptisms, should you wish to find them.

Here’s William & Mary Ellen in 1901:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Lisnaskee/Glasdrumman/1358573/

Mary Ellen died 3.6.1904.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1904/05626/4582712.pdf

Not sure what happened to her husband after that. I don’t see him in the 1911 census.

I looked for David Eakins and Kate Ross in the 1901 census but can’t find them anywhere in Ireland. So possibly, like William, they had left Ireland by that year.