In search of Onge graves

I Karen

Do you have any futher address for St. Mary's or other info from baptism/marriage records that would give you a clue which bit of Dublin it's in? There are a few in Dublin including Lucan just outside the city and the Pro Cathedral is also St. Mary's?

mrs doyle

Hi Mrs Doyle

I'm afraid I get so lost with this, I am coming to learn more of the systems on Ireland of old but it still confuses me. To me a parish is “the church” I am finding it difficult to grasp the concept of it being a territorial division.

The info I have for 4 relatives are images of the original parish register.  At the top they read Burials in the Parish of “St Mary” in the County of “City of Dublin’.

Abel Onge address 11 Buckingham Street buried 14 September 1843 Rev D. Mooney & Rev A Leeper.

Louisa Onge address Dalkey buried 29 July 1844 Rec Alexander Leeper.

Fitzgerald Onge address 12 Upper Buckingham Street buried 3 June 1846 Rev Daniel Mooney

Jane Onge address Buckingham Street buried 12 February 1845 Rev J Howie

Abel and Louisa were husband and wife and Fitzgerald and Jane their children.

There are about another 14 Onge’s listed with the same page heading and with addresses of Bolton Street between 1660 and 1700.

The family seems to be predominantly Church or Ireland or United Church.

However I believe there was at least one wing of dissenters.

Abel Onge was part of a group of Presbyterians, who attended a meeting-house on the west side of Plunkett Street which was situated between Patrick Street and Francis Street.

I am of the belief that his will, made in 1727, is extant.  A research paper on the townland of Haystown, Lusk 1641-1798 by Maighr?ad N? Mhurchadha was well referenced and attests to the existence of the will which noted that Abel made a bequest of £5 to Rev. Mr. McQuay, minister of the church.  Another bequest reads as follows:  Item I order five pounds to be paid into the hands of the said William Thwaites to be by him distributed among such poor decayed housekeepers belonging to the congregation of the Protestant dissenters usually assembling in Plunkett Street Dublin in such manner as he shall think fit.

I have searched so many graveyard websites but have not managed to find even one “Onge”.

Karen

There was a St. Mary's Church of Ireland that would be close to Buckingham Street, Dublin. The church was converted to a pub named 'the church bar' located in what is now Wolfe Tone Park, Dublin City (a public park). The Church closed in the 1960s and I think remained empty for a couple of years before the bar opened in the early 2000s.

There is an Abel Onge listed on Griffith's Valuation as the Landlord in the townlands of Haystown, Parish of Lusk, Co. Dublin and Dellabrown, Parish of Holmpatrick, Dublin:

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&familyname=Onge&firstname=First+Name&baronyname=&countyname=&unionname=&parishname=&Submit.x=37&Submit.y=14

I see that there are only 2 Onge's recorded in the 1901 Census (and none in 1911) but they are not in the immediate area of St. Mary's but given how unique the name is they may have some later connection to your family.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=Onge&firstname=&county=&townland=&ded=&age=&sex=&search=Search&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=

I think your best bet might be to contact the RCB Library (the Repersentative Church Body). The staff there can't conduct research for you but they can check their records and let you know what they have. Some of the archives and records they hold include Parish Registers. You can contact them here:

http://ireland.anglican.org/footer/4

Let me know how you get on.

Mrs Doyle

Back again

...also according to the original register Abel was aged 64 (according to his age of buriel) in 1843 so you have a year of birth to go on (1779); Jane was aged 26 in 1845; Louisa was aged 70 in 1844 etc etc. I think you have access to the original register below already so you can add the approx year of birth to the RCB search

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?name2fm=&name2l=Onge&namefm=&namel=&location=&dd=&mm=&yy=&submit=Search&sort=date&pageSize=100&type=D&diocese=DUBLIN+%28COI%29&parish=ST.+MARY&century=&decade=&exact=&ddB=&ddM=&ddD=&mmB=&mmM=&mmD=&yyB=&yyM=&yyD=&locationB=&locationM=&locationD=&member0=&member1=&member2=&member3=&member4=&member5=&member6=&member7=&member8=&member9=&namef0=&namef1=&namef2=&namef3=&namef4=&namef5=&namef6=&namef7=&namef8=&namef9=&namel0=&namel1=&namel2=&namel3=&namel4=&namel5=&namel6=&namel7=&namel8=&namel9=&keyword=

Mrs Doyle 

Thank you so much i will send off a request to check the records.

I will let you know how I go.

You have an amazing amount of detail already.

If you havent already:

Try to determine one piece of information you would like to add first to what you have and concentrate on one at a time.

Organize your existing information, and break it down chronologically, geographically, by person, family group sheets, pedegrees, genealogy charts. Reread your original records for information you may have missed.

Where did you get the "original parish images", that resource or it's source should have a way to determine where it is from as well as what it represents. If it was an index table, dont forget to also look at the actual entry for any non-indexed information that might be useful, or more useful information, to you, who know about the entry persons perhaps more than the clerk who may have spelled wrong etc.

You have the theory and family tradition of Protestant, you have the name of the church represenatives. You can check lists of church officials which many parishes keep historically on file.

You have likely seen their names elsewhere, to expand the biography:
http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Cavan/1857/OCT.html

"His daughter" (likely not RC), and her burial place, may represent a burial place in common with his parishoners?
http://www.archive.org/stream/briefsketchespa00blacgoog/briefsketchespa…

Try to determine if burial registration was requied or not for the time and place. Common graves may not have an identifying stone. Try and determine what records if any were kept regard the burial from the same parish that you match the death record. If you fall in the period of civil registration, check these, the parish may have nothing to do with their faith or church attendance.

If not the Presb. facilities mentioned, check what others in the neighborhoods of the addresses you have. Try to deterime what Presb records may have been kept and where they are held.

If by circles you mean you have tried all these and still can not find what you are looking for, take a break and build the biography with other information elsewhere. Records may surface over time. Think about all that has been digitized and indexed recently. Work on another life moment. Work on collateral or marriage kin. Maybe they are easier to find and were burried in the same place? They may have descendants who have your information or can network on the same goals.

Please let us know your progress because it will help others searching in St.Mary civil parish district and Dublin in general. Write an article if you like, describing the churches or records you have found, and where, or anything about the parish you would like to share.

If you need the advise of another volunteer, or a specialist in a certain area, let us know, and we will try and check on that.

But most importantly, we are glad you are exploring your pride of place, and as you learn more about the St.Mary neighborhood, or it's history, we welcome your additions to these pages. We hope that others will parallel your grasp of materials, and as a group, those who have "joined" here will gain from a common interest.