Townlands

What were the source you found that indicated a townland named Grange in Castletown, and a townland named Gravelmount ?
Based on the townland index the civil parish of Castletown/Castletown-Kilpatrick has 12 townlands .. none named Grange...

There is a townland named Gravelstown in Emlagh civil parish Co. Meath - could this be the one mentioned as 'Gravelmount' ?

Ladyrath townland is in Rathkenny civil parish. There are a number of townlands named Grange in Co. Meath .. . further details on the source of these placenames, e.g. Religious Parish / Registration District / Poor Law Union /  Griffith Valuation details etc, could help establish which townlands these locations refer to..

I would think the most likely reason for the moves you mentioned would be work - possibly the husband was a labourer and they had to move around to be nearer to the available work.

Hi Shanew, 

Thank you for your reply.

Pardon my ignorance, but I am so confused on the placenanes for the McCabes that i am researching.  I have 4 questions that I hope you will be so kind as to answer.I attached a document with the questions and the certificates you mentioned.

Thank you for your patience.

Ellen

The first two records (1.) in your document, the deaths of Patrick McCabe in 1877 and Anne McCabe in 1896 are civil death records, so the Castletown reference in these is to the Civil Registration sub-district of Castletown, which was part of the overall registration district of Navan. This sub-district covered areas north of the town of Navan including parts of the following civil parishes - Castletown, Drakestown, Kilshine, Knock, Donaghpatrick, Clongill, Kilberry, Rathkenny, Gernonstown and Stackallen.  Ladyrath is in Rathkenny civil parish is included as one of the townlands covered, but no sign of a townland named Gravelmount,  Gravelstown townland, which I mentioned in the earlier reply is in Emlagh civil parish and quite close to this district, but officially covered by Kells registration district. There are a number of possibilities - the Gravelmount mentioned on Patrick's death is a local place-name so not an official townland name, or or his death happened in Gravelmount in Emlagh, but it was registered in Navan district by mistake - maybe he died away from his place of residence ? I checked the area on the historic maps and see no mention of a Gravelmount...suspect the reference is probably a variation for the nearby townland of Gravelstown.

In case the location is indeed Gravelstown, Emlagh then the distance from this townland to Ladyrath, Rathkenny townland is about 10km (~6 miles) east of Gravelstown - see Google Map, the village of Castletown is less than 5km (~3 miles) north west of Ladyrath.

2. The baptisms took place in the Catholic Parish of Castletown/Castletown-Kilpatrick, which although having the same name, covers a different area compared to the registration sub-district, or the civil parish of the same name, so at the times these children were baptised the family could have lived anywhere within the parish, which at the times covered the five civil parishes mentioned earlier - i.e. Castletown, Clongill, Drakestown, Kilshine and Knock, about 28 townlands in all - see attached document below "Castletown-Kilpatrick-RC-townlands" for a full list (Catholic parish boundaries were not always as well defined as Civil districts).

3. Kilshine civil parish is included in Griffith's Primary Valuation, select the search by place-name option and Co. Meath as county and enter Kilshine as the search - the four townlands for Kilshine are listed. The village and Catholic parish of Castletown are often listed as just Castletown, and that's what is listed as on Griffith's Primary Valuation, to search for townlands in this civil parish select the search by place-name, Co. Meath as county and Morgallion as Barony (to filter out other Castletowns...) and Castletown as the placename - the townlands for Castletown (Kilpatrick) as shown.

4. As mentioned above, Ladyrath townland is in Rathkenny civil parish so that Griffith's record for James McCabe is the same location as that given on Anne's death.. The Grange reference appears to be a record from the Tithe Applotment books is in Kilshine civil parish (recorded as Kilsinea in the Tithes) - one of the civil parishes within the Catholic Parish of Castletown, Co. Meath. This Grange townland is located very close to the village of Castletown - abt. 2km west of the village.

Thank you so very much.!!

I greatly appreciate your time and efforts.

I will now try to digest all of this.

Thanks again.

:-)

Hi Shanew,

I have been working all weekend on the information you gave me.  Can you help me with one more question?

My ancestor McCabes had 7 children, all baptized in Castletown-Kilpatrick, which I believe is in Kilshine parish.  The children were born from 1827-1838.

Those are the years of the Tithes in County Meath. (1828-1834).  My family needs to be somewhere in the Tithes, I would think, yet I can't find them.  Is it because they were too poor to have land to be taxed? Or could it be that he is living with his father and thus the land is under his name? (I don't know the name of his father)  Or is it because I just don't know how to look them up?  The placenames still do confuse me.

So my question is:  can you please see if you can find the tithe for Patrick McCabe who had a family from those years in Castletown-Kilpatrick.

As always, thank you for your help.

Ellen

:-)

not everyone was included in the Tithe records - these payments only applied to certain types of agricultural land, people living towns would not be incuded and people like labourers would not appear. Only the principle land-holder is listed, so someone living with family, in a boarding house, or in some sort of accomodation on their employers property would not be mentioned. (As far as I remember from the previous topics on this McCabe family the husband/father for this McCabe family was a labourer)

I had a look through the Tithe entries for the various civil parishes that coveres Castletown RC parish and located just one possible McCabe a Jno. (John) McCabe appears in the transcripts on the NAI website, he seems to be listed in conjunction with a John Matthews see entry 31 in the image, the townland is Knock in Drakestown civil parish.

Thank you.

:-)