Hayes family ex Ballymena John @ Thomas to New Zealand 1822

NEW ZEALAND:Do you know much about their emigration? The dates, the reason why they left,who they might have travelled with?..etc.? Generally, more information was given at the port ofarrival rather than the port of departure. If you knew which city they arrived at, this could be a goodplace to find more information -and perhaps even find out an exact place of origin. There are lots ofbooks and documents available about the Irish emigration to NZ. There is a website you could lookat: http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/irish/2 for information about the Irish in New Zealand. The next thing you could do is find the counties and places in Ireland your family names are mostprevalent. Look at the website http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/ and perhapssomething will match some other clue you may have found elsewhere? If nothing turnsup ? it is advisable to try different variations of the spellings of the names. If you have a possiblefirst name you could try the Irish Census 1901, 1911 at www.census.nationalarchives.ie/ or the landvaluation record called Griffiths Valuationhttp://askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml you could also try seaching on these sites sir good luck. ROMAN CATHOLIC: Most Catholic records are held locally - One site which might be of use is -http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/ - where you can ?browse? an overview of availablerecords per county. If you have any difficulty, you could try writing to the parish priest for possibleassistance.  

Thank you for your help. Unfortunately there are no immigration records in NZ for 1822.  

There was no port or city to enter at in NZ at that time. 

The ship simply sailed into the harbour and passengers were rowed to shore.  No immigration records.  We donot know the vessel that John and Thomas arrived on but an uncomfimed report is that they came on the Active with the missionary Samuel Marsden. But as many boats came via Australia its possible John and Thomas may have travelled their first and connected with another boat from there some time afterward.

 The first NZ census was 1840 and at that time there were only 40 european men in NZ of which John Hayes was one.

So unfortunately very little information on arrival, vessel or where the vessel departed from.

I did check the Ballymena census for 1901.   As it was some 80 years after John and Thomas departed the chances of finding any living siblings was remote.   i could only find 2 with the name Hayes in Ballymena.  One a 66 year old unmarried weaver  by the name of Eliza who was boarding at  2 Boyds Entry.

The other was a Robert Hayes 34 year old labourer who was living at 27 Coach Entry with his 70 yr old mother in law.  No other occupants in the house so no wife of Robert .

Robert was no longer at Coach entry in the 1911 census. 

So unfortunately not much luck.  Eliza Hayes is listed as Presbyterian and Robert as Church of England so I wonder if either were related to the Catholic John and Thomas.  It seems that the Hayes name is not common in the area and perhaps the family did not stay in Ballymena

There was a letter from Dublin in 1861 from Dublin sent to John in New Zealand which was said to be a legacy so the family may have moved to Dublin some time after John and Thomas came to NZ

A family member in the 1960s did have some contact with a direct family member from Dublin in the 1960s but a meeting never eventuated and as these family members are now deceased and no record available we donot even know who the irish Hayes people were.

i gather the only way we could find any further records would be Baptism records in Ballymena for the 1810 for John and 1813 for Thomas.  Unfortunately John was not able to read or write so there is no record of his parents names anywhere.   The first records we have are from his family bible kept by his wife after their marriage in 1841.

Thank you for your help. Unfortunately there are no immigration records in NZ for 1822.  

There was no port or city to enter at in NZ at that time. 

The ship simply sailed into the harbour and passengers were rowed to shore.  No immigration records.  We donot know the vessel that John and Thomas arrived on but an uncomfimed report is that they came on the Active with the missionary Samuel Marsden. But as many boats came via Australia its possible John and Thomas may have travelled their first and connected with another boat from there some time afterward.

 The first NZ census was 1840 and at that time there were only 40 european men in NZ of which John Hayes was one.

So unfortunately very little information on arrival, vessel or where the vessel departed from.

I did check the Ballymena census for 1901.   As it was some 80 years after John and Thomas departed the chances of finding any living siblings was remote.   i could only find 2 with the name Hayes in Ballymena.  One a 66 year old unmarried weaver  by the name of Eliza who was boarding at  2 Boyds Entry.

The other was a Robert Hayes 34 year old labourer who was living at 27 Coach Entry with his 70 yr old mother in law.  No other occupants in the house so no wife of Robert .

Robert was no longer at Coach entry in the 1911 census. 

So unfortunately not much luck.  Eliza Hayes is listed as Presbyterian and Robert as Church of England so I wonder if either were related to the Catholic John and Thomas.  It seems that the Hayes name is not common in the area and perhaps the family did not stay in Ballymena

There was a letter from Dublin in 1861 from Dublin sent to John in New Zealand which was said to be a legacy so the family may have moved to Dublin some time after John and Thomas came to NZ

A family member in the 1960s did have some contact with a direct family member from Dublin in the 1960s but a meeting never eventuated and as these family members are now deceased and no record available we donot even know who the irish Hayes people were.

i gather the only way we could find any further records would be Baptism records in Ballymena for the 1810 for John and 1813 for Thomas.  Unfortunately John was not able to read or write so there is no record of his parents names anywhere.   The first records we have are from his family bible kept by his wife after their marriage in 1841.

Hi Amaethon,

Have you had any further luck with Irish records or arrival details? I am also a descendent of John Hayes, and have seen others speak of 1810. What records do you have that suggest the 1810 Birthdate? 

The death certificate I have for John Hayes from NZ Births Deaths and Marriages is 9 Sept 1873 and says he was 65 when he died which puts him closer to 1808.

Kind Regards,

Carl

Unfortunately not Carl.  The information as above is all I could find.

DOB is correct as above.  It is in the family bible.  John died as you say 9 Sept 1873 but he was 63 yrs old not 65

How Are you related Carl?  Are you in NZ?

Hi All

I am Colin Hayes, from Ballymena.  My furherest Hayes ancestor so far is Robert Hayes, born in Connor, if ww1 army record correct. Connor is just outside Ballymena.

With regards the irish census, please try surname variations such as Hoyes. Hays. Hay.  Also do not limit to Ballymena in townlands, as those will give you the built up area only.

I think this is a family to which I am partly connected.  Is this John Dalley (or Daily or Daly or etc) Hayes  who married Sarah Mary Simpson about 1840?  If so the details of the early BMD would be invaluable.  NZ records for Northland areas are patchy in the early to mid 1800's.  You mention a family bible.

I would appreciate any help.  Barry.

Barry . Yes you are abolutely correct.  The family tree from arrival in NZ has been very well documented in book form by Margaret Hayes of Kaeo.  

The missing links are the connection prior to arriving in NZ as both boys were quite young,   All we know are the two brothers arrived from Ireland and the date.   Where in Ireland is sketchy but a family bible from the Daniel Daly Hayes ( son of John ) line mentions Ballymena.  

What is your famkly connection?  If you wosh to email me my address is Amaethon@vodafone.co.nz

Hi Amaethon,

I descend from Catherine Hayes, John Daley's daughter, via John Smith and Mary Burke, then Annie Smith who is my  great grandmother. 

I am usually in NZ but away on holiday at present.

Best,

Carl

Last name Chenery?  If so i found you :)

Hi!

My name is Jana Hayes, I also descend from this family. :D

I'm doing some on and off again research. Wonder if anyone has found anything recently?

I also had a question someone may be able to answer; recently it looks like the head stones at the cemetary in Waiuku have been updated, but we're unsure of who has done it, does anyone here know?

There are 2 places in Co Antrim named Ballymena. One is the town in the parish of Kirkinriola. The other is a townland in the RC parish of Racavan.

Kirkinriola RC parish only has baptism records from 1848 onwards.  Racavan has baptisms from 1825 onwards. So whichever of the two John & Thomas may have come from, there’s no baptism records around the time they were born. So you’ll struggle to find any documentation about them in Ireland.

Kirkinriola RC parish conducted a census in 1886 which should tell you whether there were stull any RC families in the parish then. There’s a copy in PRONI in Belfast.

Possibly DNA testing may be a way of matching with others who have additional information about where the family originate. Family Tree DNA reportedly has more people with Ulster roots than any other company. That obviously increases the chances of finding a match. You might want to try them or, if you have already tested, you can transfer your results to them for no fee.

The North of Ireland Family History Society is running an Ulster DNA project and can offer FTDNA testing kits at a reduced price.  http://www.nifhs.org (Go to DNA project on the website).