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I am looking for any relatives of my ancestor, James Whiteford that was born in Antrim in ~1795 and moved to Ontario Canada.  Before moving to Canada, he married Sally (Sarah) Aitken in Port Glasgow, Refrewshire, Scotland.

Rob Whiteford

Sudbury, Ontario, Canada

rwhiteford

Friday 5th Apr 2013, 05:53PM

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  • Hi,

    Did a bit of looking and see that there are many different branches apparently searching for the same Whiteford forebears. (Items viewed were from 2000-2008) Another item that I noticed is that there are conflicting POBs for your James, some state around Renfrewshire while others state County Antrim.  The majority give all the same siblings for James, so when comparing all this data a couple of items stood out.

    1) People in the time period normally were married only in ?their? churches, as opposed to other churches of same faith. To do otherwise required special permissions, sometimes from way up the clergical ladder. People were also many times tracked from church to church, receiving permission and/or reference to withdraw from one and join another. Tracking down the religion for the time periods will help to guide you. Birth or christening records, should be in the local church parish, if they remain at all.

    2) It is believed that James father was named John. Some say ?Sir John Whiteford? only some confusion seems to have entered here due to the title of ?Sir?.  Some persons were referred to  as ?Sir? as a title of respect, some were referred to as ?Sir? due to a bestowment of an actual title from military service, while for others the title ?Sir? came through generational bestowment in attachment to a particular piece of land after the passing of a parent. It would be well worth checking into military records for Scotland and Ireland.

     If James followed the traditional Scot or Irish naming patterns with the 1st son being named after paternal grandfather, then this would confirm the name of John for James father. Likewise William should be Sarah Aitken fathers name. Were there only 9 children?

    3) It is believed James had at least 2 brothers and 3 sisters living as of 1830. (Based on Hugh Boyd will) Hugh Boyd Whiteford M.D., 2 brothers not named, Margaret, Mary and Jane. Hugh Boyd Whiteford is said to have married a widow Anne Buttle, who had a son, William Buttle and a daughter Anne Jane Buttle by her prior marriage. Hugh apparently did not father any children in this union.  Jane married Patrick Jamieson and had at least one of her children in Ireland.  Either Margaret or Mary married a Robert McCormick. 

    4) Within 6 years of the death of James? brother Hugh Boyd in 1830, a mass migration occurred (appears to be 1836) consisting of at least James and wife Sarah (and children), James? sister Jane and husband Patrick (and children), as well as Sarahs brother James to Ontario, Canada . However as far as I can see, James and Sarah Emigrated from Scotland (based on where the children were born), while Jane and husband (several children born Ireland) as well as Sarahs brother Emigrated from Ireland. Wonder if Margaret and Mary also went to Scotland? Canada? It is interesting that Whiteford and Boyd are continuously in the same areas of both Ireland and Scotland.

    5) If Hugh Boyd Whiteford inherited his fathers lands, it should indicate that he was the eldest and in reality, upon his death the estate that passed to him should have gone to brothers and sisters as he had no children of his own. This is not reflected in his will. Instead a specific amount varying in size, were determined to his 3 sisters, while the interest accumulated after his death and while estate was in his wifes hands, was to be divided amongst his brothers and sisters. Hugh does state ?farms? in the will, which is upheld by some valuations written at various time periods, but not indicating any estate In County Antrim of a larger size. Perhaps it was sold previously to this time? Viewing tax records prior to 1824 would perhaps clear this point. Another item to consider: the fathers estate inherited might just have been in around Renfrewshire, Scotland.  How did the families finance their emigration? Where did Hugh get his medical training/schooling from?

    1824- Hibernian Provincial Directory- Hugh is listed as a physician in Lisburn.

    1829- Hugh Boyd Whiteford, Clogher Townland, Derriaghy Civil Parish 1 acre within the borough and he is registered to vote in both the borough and county.

    1829- Additional land- Lisnagarvy Townland, Lisburn Civil Parish 5 acres within the borough.

    Boyd family is also located in these areas.

    http://anextractofreflection.blogspot.com/2011_04_01_archive.html http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~econnolly/lsextracts/ls19171000.html

    Interestingly, the location of wills would reside, (for the time period), in the Diocese for the location, although National Archives of Ireland does contain some records and trace records. Not much more than ?yes there was a will?, ?date? and a ?name? for many, although some are more intact. http://www.nationalarchives.ie . The national archive listings are not all that were, rather some of what was indexed elsewhere.

    More information from identifying names in Hugh Boyd Will:

    http://anextractofreflection.blogspot.co.uk/2010/11/extracts-form-records-of-old-lisburn-iv.html

    ?The Dioceses of
    DOWN AND CONNOR

    were united in 1442. Dromore was united with Down and Connor in 1842. The Bishops of the United Diocese were -- Richard Mant, 1842; Robert Knox, 1849; William Reeves, 1886; Thomas J. Welland, 1892; John B. Crosier, 1907; Charles F. D'Arcy, 1911. In 1699 Bishop Smith, a native of Lisburn, was Bishop of Down and Connor. He was appointed at 34 years of age. The United Diocese includes the whole of the Counties of Antrim and Down and portions of Londonderry and Armagh.

    LISBURN CATHEDRAL
    was originally built in 1623, and known as the Church of St. Thomas. It was twice burnt -- by the Irish rebels in 1641 and accidentally in 1707. When rebuilt after 1707 it was minus the spire, and remained so for almost 100 years. The spire was added by the second Marquis of Hertford in 1807. Since then, from its lofty height, the Curfew Bell has sounded forth nightly at 9 o'clock 100 strokes of the bell, marking the ancient custom and the hour. The Church was constituted in 1662 the Cathedral of the Diocese of Down and Connor by charter of Charles II. It is remarkable as being the church of which Bishop Jeremy Taylor was lecturer, and in later times the chief church of the Huguenot settlement. Incumbents -- Rev. James Mace, 1661; Rev. Joseph Wilkins, 1672; Rev. George Wilkins, 1716: Rev. Anthony Rogers, 1727; Rev. Richard Dobbs, 1749; Rev. Thomas Higginson, 1777; Rev. Wm. Traill, Archdeacon, 1781; Rev. Snowden Cupples, D.D., 1796; Rev. James Stannus, Dean of Ross, 1835; Rev. Hartley Hodson, D.D., 1876; Rev. William D. Pounden, A.B., Canon, 1884.

    The information regarding the United Diocese and incumbents of the Cathedral is taken from the Handbook of the United Diocese of Down and Connor and Dromore, compiled by L. M. Ewart in 1886.
    On the Cathedral organ are two plates recording that it was "Presented by the Marquis of Hertford through the very Rev. Dean Stannus."
     "Snowden Cupples, D.D., Rector.
          Thos. Thompson, Curate.
          Surgeon Thomas Wethered,
          George Emerson, C. Wardens.
                      1832."[?]
     

    Try researching history of the areas mentioned prior in micro, both in Ireland and in Scotland. This should reveal more about the combined families. Also you might want to try Clan Boyd to try to track down James? parents. I do not know all the data gathered by all branches, so do not know how the association to Hugh Boyd Whiteford was determined but, researching more in this area will strengthen your work either through disproving or proving. With this many Whitefords and Boyds, you will probably have to disprove several, to prove your line.

    Associated families MaGee, England, Scott, Read, Chapman, Sprinkles, Tweet, Millikan, Austin, Stephen, Jamieson, McCormick, Brownlee, Evans, Culbert, Scandrett, Giford, Diamond, Bush, Judge, Barron, Wray. There is supposed to be a book, Memoirs of Agnes Wray on your family line in OGS library, London ON.

    Hope this all helps, Jeanette

    County Antrim

    Sunday 14th Apr 2013, 03:01AM
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    County Antrim

    Sunday 14th Apr 2013, 09:31PM
  • Hi, I've just posted separately about my Whiteford family from Culfeightrin when I found these posts.  I'm looking for the family of James Whiteford, baptised Culfeightrin on 3 May 1826 (son of Alexander Whiteford and Margaret Cain).  James was subsequently "christened" in Campbeltown Scotland later in May 1826 - I have the OPR record for this.  He died in Melbourne Australia in 1902 .  I understand (not my research but advice from another Whiteford descendent), that Whitefords leased/farmed from a Colonel Boyd, a farm or part of a townland referred to as "Crosse".

    I also understand from the other Whiteford descendant that there are two headstones at Fair head - the first is for Alexander Whiteford (1745-1821), possibly the Alexander Whiteford who originally held the lease on the Cross Townland, and Archibald Whiteford (1760-1809) who he thinks is probably a brother of Alexander Whiteford.  Alexander was buried in the Culfeightrin Church of Ireland graveyard and Archibald was buried in the Bonamargy Friary graveyard.  The informant on these matters thought the the Whitefords of Fair Head were all descended from these two, one line being Protestant and the other Catholic.

    Other children that I know whose parents were Alexander Whiteford and Margaret Cain included Archibald Whiteford (abt 1819, possibly in Scotland), Catherine and Margaret and possibly Rosann.

    I would love to make any connections with people who know of these families or more about the "Crosse" and or Fair Head.  

    I am planning to travel to Ireland next year and am looking forward to walking same area my ancestors came from, taking photos of the area etc.  Regards all Anne Whiteford.

    perplexed1

    Wednesday 16th Oct 2013, 10:22AM

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