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I am interested to discover the mechanics behind immigration AFTER the great famine
My ancestors (2 mcintyre brothers and their families) left their lives behind in ballymena in 1864, to go to work in a shale mine in east calder, scotland. And I wondered what happened around this date to encourage such a move. And how transportation may have occurred?
Any clues?

Friday 17th Aug 2018, 10:00PM

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  • Take a look at website Irish Genealogy Toolkit. It has several pages on emigration.

    https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Irish-emigration.html 

    At bottom of page 1 of Irish Emigration is a box with links to pages on emigration to specific countries. Under "To Britain" are: Overview of Irish Immigration to Britain.

    This shows main routes. There are 2 illustrated adverts for steamers & their railway connections, 1 from 1860s.

    Irish Immigration to Scotland and where to find the best genealogy resources.

    The short distance between Ireland and Scotland  -  13 miles at closest points  -   is mentioned on this page.

    Prices of tickets on ships will be  somewhere in the emigration pages (I've read them previously). Tickets were cheap.

    Edit. My link will take you to Irish Genealogy Toolkit site but not directly to page on emigration. Select "Genealogy" at top of Home page, then select "Emigration " from drop-down list.

     

    Maggie May

    Friday 17th Aug 2018, 10:56PM
  • Ireland lacks natural resources. No coal, oil, iron ore etc, and so apart from a modest amount of shipbuilding in Belfast and the Belfast linen mills (which mostly only employed women), it did not really get the industrial revolution that benefited England and Scotland where mills, steelworks, ship building, coal mining and all their support industries were major employers creating hundreds of thousands of new jobs. Much better paid than subsistence farming or weaving. Added to that you had the effects of a massive population explosion in Ireland – up from 3 million in 1750 to 8 million in 1841 (no-one is really sure of the reasons why but reduced neo-natal deaths seem to be a factor) and the famine. So some push factors and some pull factors saw huge numbers of people leave Ireland. Something like 2 million people emigrated from Ireland in the 1800s. People had been pouring out of Ireland long before the worst of the famine. All the famine did was speed the tide up.

    The famine wreaked havoc in most of Ireland but in Co Antrim, a comparatively wealthy county, it wasn’t too severe (and most bigger farmers had not been one crop dependant) plus many in Antrim had weaving income to fall back on, so I would say the famine was less of a reason for your particular ancestors leaving than it was for others elsewhere in Ireland.

    If you look at the Scottish censuses for the Glasgow area in the late 1800s, you will see that about every fifth person recorded there was born in Ireland. Scotland was a particularly popular place to go to work because it was easy and very cheap to get to. A short journey too. It’s only 13 miles from Ireland to Scotland at the closest point. People could go for a day trip.  Several sailings every day from Belfast to Greenock & Glasgow (Broomilaw Quay), plus regular sailings from Portrush, Ballycastle and Londonderry. The shipping companies main business was cargo and the passengers were just top-up revenue. Competition was fierce and passenger fares very low. People working in Scotland could come home for weddings or the harvest, as well as holidays (Glasgow used to shut down for 2 weeks every July, known as the Glasgow Fair holiday and there would then be a huge exodus to Ireland).  You could also send children back to stay with their grandparents, thereby leaving the wife free to work. You couldn’t do all those things so easily from Australia, America or Canada.  For Presbyterians, Scotland also had the benefit of being culturally very close as well as geographically very close. The experience and welcome offered to a Presbyterian from Ireland was generally much better than that given to a Roman Catholic. For further information see:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/guides/zr6ycdm/revision/2

     

     

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