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Much family research has taken me to the Tinryland, Ballybar Lower region of Carlow and I would really appreciate some help.

My Great Grandmother, Jane (Johanna) Herons or Heanrs, born Ballybar 4 May 1871 and baptised Tinryland 7 May 1871, died Kildare 11 Dec 1942.

Her parent were Patrick (Patritius) Hearn abt 1841 - ?? from Carlow and Maria Anna Nugent from Tinryland, they were married 20 Sep 1868 at Tinryland.

Jane also had a sister, Maria Anna born Ballybar 4 Aug 1869, baptised Tinryland 8 Aug 1869.

Cheers, Kevin

Blazingwheels

Friday 12th Dec 2014, 07:06AM

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  • Kevin:

    I looked at the 1852 Griffiths Valuation head of household listing for Clonmelsh parish and there was a James Hearne in Ballybar Lower townland. Possibly he was the father of Patrick.

     http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/carlow/clonmelsh.htm

    I also located a civil death index record for a Patrick Hearns in the Carlow registration district. The year of birth provided by the informant was close to your 1841.

    First name(s) Patrick
    Last name Hearns
    Birth year 1843
    Age at death 42
    Registered year 1885
    Registered quarter/year Oct - Dec 1885
    Registration district Carlow
    Volume 3
    Page 274

     I also located the likely 1901 and 1911 census records for Patrick's wife. For some reason, they transcribed her surname as Heather in the 1911 census even though Hearns is shown on the return.

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Ballynacarrig/B…

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Ballinacarrig/B…

    This may be the civil death index record for Mary Hearns.

    Roger McDonnell

    First name(s) Mary
    Last name Hearns
    Birth year 1847
    Age at death 71
    Registered year 1918
    Registered quarter/year Jan - Mar 1918
    Registration district Carlow
    Volume 3
    Page 286

     

     

     

    Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Friday 12th Dec 2014, 05:46PM
  • Thanks Roger for those leads, they're hepling a lot. As I've been researching the Irish side of the family for just a short time so it's good reliable reference sites.

    It looks as though the family name was spelt, by various people, many ways; Herons, Hearns, Hearnes and Hearn. Probably, each preist or registrar would spell the name the way it sounded or the way he thought it should be spelt. Consequently, as there were a few Herne families in the Tinryland / Ballybar region, It's taking a while to sort out who goes with which family.

    i.e. When Patrick was married his name was recorded as 'Hearns or Heron'. His brother Michael's name was also recorded in the same manner, when he was married. 

    The Patrick Hearns you found for me died in 1885 while the man I'm looking for appears in the 1911 census, aged 60. Nevertheless, Tinryland is/was not a big town and there were quite a few Hearns living there so It's likely that they were all related and I'll soon be able make some links.

    Kevin 

    Blazingwheels

    Tuesday 16th Dec 2014, 04:34AM
  • Kevin:

    The 1911 census for Mary Hearns lists her as a widow. Do I have the wrong Mary?

    Roger

    Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Tuesday 16th Dec 2014, 05:00PM
  • Hi Roger,

    The next file is the marriage of Jane's parents; Patrick (Patritius) Hearns or Herons and Maria Anna Nugent also showing their parents.

     

    That is something I've never seen before: using two family names. The same two names (Hearns or Herons) were used when Patrick's brother Michael was married.

     

    Cheers, Kevin 

    Blazingwheels

    Wednesday 17th Dec 2014, 04:51AM
  • Hi Roger,

    It looks as though she is the wrong Mary as Patrick was definitely a 60 year old widower on the 1901 census. 

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Kildare/Kildar…

    The attached file is the baptism of Jane (Johanna) Hearns, showing her parents. 

     

    Another file to follow, Kevin 

    Blazingwheels

    Wednesday 17th Dec 2014, 05:00AM

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