Looking for the family of William Flack of "Killan, near Bailibro" who left in 1832

Dear Ted,

I would love to be able to help you.

I searched the tithe applotment books & the only Flacks that I turned up were not in Killann - see link

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?…

I next searched the 1901 Census & quite a few Flacks came up, however there is one Presbyterian family, a brother & sister, she is a gatekeeper of what I don't know.

I looked at the national archives ( nationalarchives.ie) & I could not find Mary Ann aged 60 anywhere in Ireland, I imagine her brother may be deceased by that stage. 

I searched for Mary Ann's Death on Familysearch.org but did not find it.

I searced Griffiths Valuations & found Flacks, but not in Killann

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNam…

Killann is also a parish as well as a townland.  On Elizabeth's death cert, did it say who the informant was as it may be a family member.

I will check with a couple of other people I know who may have some knowledge & get back to you again.

Regards Carmel O'Callaghan

Thank you so much for your kind efforts on this search.

I know very little about William Flack and Elizabeth Flack. I have a copy of William Flack's Death Certificate but he died (dod 5 Feb 1892) after Elizabeth (dod 26 May 1863) so there is no information on his Certificate.

I have a copy of the 1861 Census for Habergham Eaves, Burnley, England which shows William Flack (son), his wife and 8 children but his mother, Elizabeth who was alive at the time, is not listed.

I have a copy of Elizabeth Flack's Death Certificate (dod 26 May 1863 aged 73) which shows her occupation as "Widow of William Flack a soldier."

The only child of William and Elizabeth Flack that I know about is William Flack, b. 1 April 1810, Bailieborough, Cavan, whose birth date and place of birth are listed in his army enlistment papers.

I know that at least one generation of Flacks were Presbyterian. There is a family story that one of our forefathers brothers died in "the troubles" around 1800 but I don't know any more about that.

There was also a Corporal William FLACK b. c1772 "Beulboro, Cavan", of the Wexford Militia,but I don't know if there is any connection.

Thant's as much as I know about my GGGGrandfather and GGGGrandmother.

Does that help at all?

Thank you again for your interest. My wife and I are planning to travel to Ireland to visit some of the places our ancesters came from. 

Kind regards

Edmund (Ted) Flack

Brisbane, Australia

Dear Ted,

Cavan Genealogy,
1st floor,
Johnston Central Library,
Farnham Street,
Cavan Town,
County Cavan.
Tel: +353 (0)49 4361094
Fax: +353 (0)49 4331494
Email: cavangenealogy@eircom.net

I also came across this link of a John Flack, Lurganbawn from old newspapers transcripts

http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Cavan/1846/MAR.html

Or you might try Valuations office in Dublin (http://www.valoff.ie) which will have a record of the land registry from 1855 to modern times. This will assist in seeing what happened to any land the family may have owned (as it usually passed on to a relation).

Hopefully by the time you come, something will have turned up, I can meet & show you around the area either ways.

I will keep the name on my radar.  Best wishes Carmel

Hello Ted, 'Flack' is a surname I had come across so I had a look in some Presbyterian records. One church in the area (Corraneary) has baptismal records going back to 1764 but there are no Flacks recorded. The closest Presbyterian church is 'Glasleck' it is in the townland of Killan. It is now closed, its baptismal records commence 1836, marriage 1845. Presbyterian Churches never kept death records. Corglass Presbyterian Church (1st Bailieborough) is a further 4 miles or so toward Bailieborough, its baptismal records commence 1861 and marriage 1845. So unfortunately these are too recent to record William's birth in 1810. The oldest financial report I have for these churches is 1865, in the Corglass congregation I find a Samuel Flack and a Robert Flack listed. In that same year in Glasleck congregation there are no Flack's listed so it would appear they attended Corglass Church. If you send me an email I can send you a scan of the Corglass report: lesmck57@yahoo.com http://bailieboroughpictorialpast.blogspot.ie/

Regards, Les.

Thanks Carmel.

I have found a record of a Corporal William FLACK b. c1772 "Beulboro, Cavan", of the Wexford Militia (copy attached) which would fit the person I'm looking for but I will have to wait until I get a copy of any papers from the PRO before I can be sure.

Thank you for your help.

Kind regards

Ted

Thanks Les

As you can see from the message I sent to Carmel, I am following up the military records of a Corporal William FLACK b. c1772 "Beulboro, Cavan", of the Wexford Militia that I recently came across.

I am reading all about the Militia and the role they played in the 1798 Rebellion and the later war with France and find it all very interesting/shocking/inspiring/sad.

Thank you for your research on the Presbyterian connection. I note that there were several Flack families across the border in Monaghan and some of the Cavan Flack's had marriage connections with the Monaghan Flacks. 

Many years ago I corresponded with a lady named Flack from Monaghan and she thought we might be related.

Thanks again. The search continues.....

Kind regards

Ted

Dear Contributors

I have had a report from a researcher in London who tells me that the only document he can find is William Flack's  discharge papers as a Kilmainham Pensioner in 1808. They indicate that he was wounded on the left hand and no longer fit for service.

The Dublin Journal of 12 July 1808 records a proclamation offering a reward of 200 hudred pounds for information leading to the punishment of the purpetrators of the wounding of Corporal Flack of the Wexford Militia on 12 November 1807. (attached)

I would appreciate any suggestions as to where I might obtain details of Corporal Flack's family in order to determine whether or not he is the father of William Flack, b 1 April 1810 and the wife of Elizabeth Flack born c. 1770, d.1863.  

Thanks

Ted Flack

Brisbane Australia

I looked online & there are oher Flack families see below searching for their family & they are not too far away from Bailieborough & military people, make contact with them. the alternative is to build from the last Bailieborough Flacks that we know & see if we can join the dots etc. Have you a tree on ancestry?  Carmel

From: "William Flack" <wflackjr@hotmail.com> 
Subject: FLACK/Ashfield/Drumgoon/c.1849 
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:59:03 PDT

FLACK Family, Ashfield Township, Drumgoon Parish, Co. Cavan. Samuel and 
Jane Flack (with daughter Margaret and son William) emigrated to the Town of 
Sterling, New York, USA, some time prior to 1850. US Civil War records 
indicate that William (wounded at the Battle of Gettysburg) was born in 
Ashfield circa 1836. A second son, David, was born in Sterling in 1850. No 
Flacks live in Co. Cavan currently, but some live in Co. Monaghan (due north 
of Cavan), and they are all of the Presbyterian faith. Any information on 
this family surname, present or past, would be greatly appreciated and 
reciprocated.

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Hi Carmel

Thanks for your reply. I have tried to contact the William Flack you mention but unfortunately the hotmail account is no longer active.

From the information in his post, it looks like there is a good chance of our trees being connected in some way, although it seems unlikely that there would be two sons in one generation name William - more likely to be cousins do you think? I have attached my latest summary.

It seems that in searching family records in Ireland before about 1830 you have got to be lucky, but I will keep chancing my luck.

Kind regards

Ted Flack

Brisbane Australia

Hello Ted Flack,

My name is Sharyn Samuels from Toowoomba, Qld.  I am hoping we are chasing the same William Flack in our family trees.  My GGr grandfather was a James Flack who was born in 1836 in Cavan Ireland.  He married a Rebecca Watson b 1830 from Mongahan in 1862, in Carlow Ireland.  They moved to England where most of their children were born and then their whole family came to Australia on board the 'Indus" on the 22 August 1884 arriving in Queensland with nine children.  I believe, but haven't proven yet, that James Flack was one of the sons of William and Elizabeth Flack from Cavan.

I was left some of the family research when my great aunt Dorothy Walker(nee Flack) passed away from Ipswich Qld.  This probably does not help you find your William because my information also stops here.

Hoping we are somehow related, Sharyn.

That looks like some of my family's genealogy.  

My father was Lewis William Flack (1918-1959).
His father & Mother were Mary E. Lewis and William McKinley Flack (born 1898).
William McKinley Flack was the son of Fred B. (born 1872) and Ada Sophie Flack.
Fred's father was William J. Flack (1843-1928) who emigrated to Oswego County NY with his parents when he was small.  He served in the Civil War and was wounded at Gettysburg.
William J. Flack's parents were Samuel (b. 1802 Ireland) & Margaret Jane Hall Flack (she went by Jane).

It appears that the Flack family was hard hit in the Famine and some moved to America while others moved to Australia.

Those members tracing the family histories of Flack families from Cavan in the early 1800s may like to read the summaries of my research in my blog at http://wp.me/p3HQDp-2j

I hope the information might prove helpful.

Regards to all

Ted Flack

Brisbane Australia

Those members tracing the family histories of Flack families from Cavan in the early 1800s may like to read the summaries of my research in my blog at http://wp.me/p3HQDp-2j

I hope the information might prove helpful.

Regards to all

Ted Flack

Brisbane Australia

Hi Ted,

It was good to meet you in Bailieborough that evening, a pity you were heading back.  Did you make any  inroads into your research?

Regards Carmel

Hi Sharyn

I'm most interested in your search because, I think my GGGrandfather's parents were William Flack, b. c1772 in Bailieborough, Cavan and Elizabeth Flack b.c 1790 died 1863 in Lancashire England.

The clue that caught my attemtion is that your William and Elizabeth were married in Carlow. I have been able to establish that William Flack b c 1772 was discharged from the Wexford Militia in 1808 after having been wounded in Carlow (see my blog at http://tedflack.wordpress.com/).

I would be most interested in swapping information with you. I'm particularly interested in any documentry evidence you may have of the marriage of your William and Elizabeth.

Have you done any DNA testing/ I have had my Y-DNA (male) tested and that can be compared with a male member of your Flack family willing to take the test.

I look forward to hearing from you. You may wish to give me a call in Brisbane on 38861143.

Regards

Ted (Edmund) Flack

Murrumba Downs (QLD)

I have updated my reports of the search for the parents of William Flack b.1810 in the Parish of Killan, Bailieborough, Cavan. They are available online from (here) and (here).

I have now run out of ideas, so if anyone out there has any suggestions - please let us know. Thank you.

Hi Everyone,

Since my last post I have looked at death certificates of my James and Rebekah Flack (my gr gr grandparents). James states on his death certificate (well his wife does) that he was born in Cavan Ireland and Rebekah was born Rebekah Watson in Mongahan. She was previously married for only 4 years to a Harvison. I also am having no luck finding evidence from Ireland, but I do have their marriage certificate which states the following: they were married on June 26 1862 in the parish of Ballyovie District of Ballinrobe County of Mayo, their residence was Cappaduff and the church was the United Church of Ireland and England and it also lists his father as Samuel Flack and hers as Thos Watson both being farmers. At some stage they left Ireland (can't find evidence here either) and moved to Middlesex London where all 8 of their children were born. When their son Thomas was born in 1872, James was listed as a mercentile clerk in the county of Middlesex . In August of 1884 the whole family are listed as assited immigrants from England on the Indus to Maryborough Queensland Australia. From here they moved to Gympie Qld where James died in 1913  at the age of 77 years and Rebekah died in 1928 in South Brisbane at the age of 97 years. Their 8 children dispersed around the states of Australia. But as far as I know there is only 1 Flack line here that has any male descendants and i have yet to make any contact with these people so DNA is on hold at the moment. So sorry everyone i am not looking for a WILLIAM but now am chasing a SAMUEL Flack in Ireland. Official documentary evidence is eluding me outside of Australia and England.

Hi Sharyn

My GG Grandfather William Flack was born in April 1810 in or near Bailieborough, Cavan. You can read his story at:  tinyurl.com/yyurbogs

My research into his family has hit a brick wall which I have documented at: tinyurl.com/y2s99moj

Hope you find these reports of interest.

You are welcome to contact me at ted.flack@gmail.com

Regards

Ted

Hi everyone interested in the Flacks from County Cavan.

I have written up the latest results of my Y-DNA test (male line of Flacks) and you can click through here

I hope you find it of interest.

Ted (Edmund) Flack

Redcliffe QLD Australia

ted.flack@gmail.com