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My G/mother Kate Anne Hynes migrated to NZ in 1911. I have located her Parents, Terrence Hynes and Mary Smythe  and some younger siblings in the 1901 / 1911 census. They appeared to have dropped off the face of the earth after this time. I have just now seen a WW1 British record for a Terrence Owens, KIA, for his family to collect his medals. His mother is his NoK, all his siblings are listed on the form. All these names and ages correspond with my research. Except she is now Owens not Hynes. Terrence the deceased was killed in 1915, his father was not listed on his papers, suggesting that he had passed after the 1911 census. Marr record for Terrence and Mary (1876)  from Kinawley Parish. Census correct re Townland, Drumbrugahs, Swanlinbar. I have checked both census records for any family called Owens living at this location, nobody of that name there. My G/mother only ever refered to her family as Hynes. her sister Delia gave her maiden name as Hynes when she married a Mr Gadden 1930 ish. Apart from Mary remarrying can anyone suggest why they would suddenly take up the  name Owens at this time.    

Robin

Tuesday 20th Feb 2024, 02:48PM

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  • Robin,

    There is an Ancestry tree (the Hale family tree) with your family. It shows Terence Hynes & Mary Smythe and their 11 children - including your grandmother. It also has a baptism record for Terence ( 7 Mar 1852) Hoins to parents Andy Hoins and Anne Murray. I do not know why Terence also went by Owens, but his marriage and death records show that surname, and are attached. His son Terence who died in WWI also shows the Owens surname. I don't believe the Hynes (Hoins, Haines, Hines, Hoynes) name is a derivation of Owens, so who knows?? I do not think that Mary remarried someone named Owens. 

    Regards,

     

    Carolyn

    Tuesday 20th Feb 2024, 04:48PM

  • Robin,

    I think Owens & Hynes is the same name.  MacLysaght says Hines is a variation of O’Heyne (Ó hEidhin). So in spoken Irish that wouldn’t be too far from Owen. For Owens, MacLysaght says: “This Welsh name is used in Ireland as a synonym of MacKeown, for which MacOwen and Owenson are other occasional substitutes. Owens is also equated with Hynes and Hinds in Ulster, but not in Connacht.”

    The family lived in Ulster, so I’d say the 2 names are the same (variations of each other like Faulkner and Falconer, for example).

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Tuesday 20th Feb 2024, 05:13PM

  • Thanks Elwyn! I stand corrected.....your resource for surnames is better than mine!

    Regards,

    Carolyn

    Tuesday 20th Feb 2024, 09:56PM

  • Carolyn, Elwyn,THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH. Together you have removed a wall in my research. I'm the Hale family you refer to.  Again many thanks, Robin.

    Robin

    Wednesday 21st Feb 2024, 02:24AM

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