Looking for Quoyles

Bad news. Birth registration did not start until 1864. The best you will get is confirmation that a baptism took place IF and only IF the records for your particular Church survive.

I can tell you that Knockbride RC parish has an 1850 marriage of Samuel Quoyle to ELIZABETH Bell. Cannot see any children born to Quoyle family on the Rootsireland site.

Bob Graham (County Fermanagh XO)

Dear Isabel,

I have a couple of observations

1. The surname is unusual & I wonder is it in anyway related to the name Coyle

2. The first name of Samuel would not be prevalent in Catholic households.

3.  Who is the youngest in the family, as Bob advises that Civil records dont start until 1864, however if you know who is the youngest we may be lucky to get them within that time slot.

4. The  parish of Bailieborough is partly in the Roman Catholic union or district of Bailieboro, Killan or Shercock, and partly in that of Kilmainham and Tivorcher, diocese of Kilmore. There are 2 Catholic churches in Knockbride, 1 in Killann, 1 in Shercock & 1 in Bailieborough.

There were two Presbyterian chapels and one Wesleyian Methodist chapel in the parish. 

I searched the Tithe applotment books & Griffiths Valuations unsuccessfully (free sites)

You could search the http://www.irishnewsarchive.com/anglo-celt.php (subscription site) if you search the Anglo Celt it started in 1846 but has some gaps, is very addictive & if lucky you may get mention of your family.

Cavan Genealogy,
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Do let me know how you got on, so I will know if any of the information is useful.  

Regards Carmel O'Callaghan

Thank you both - Carmel & Bob!

The surname is unusual - I think i know every Quoyle in Australia - they're relatives!

There is a family story that says we were pirates on the Isle of Mann & only came to Ireland to escape conviction & changed the spelling to Quoyle instead of Quayle. I think this a little fanciful & any investigations have never found any connection to the Isle of Mann.

I can tell you some of what I know about the Quoyles in Bailieborough.

In Ireland the family name was spelled Quoyle - Quoile, Coyle, Quayle & Quail are variants. The name has been spelt differently at some time according to family reflections but the local Irish people pronounced it “Coylie" It has always been Quoyle in Australia with a definite QU sound at the beginning rhymes with oil.

John Quoyle, Samuel's grandfather, moved from further north in Ireland about the turn of the 18th century late 1790s.There was a rebellion in 1798 & religious persecutions which followed may have forced the family south.

His son also John 1782-1877 was a school teacher. Married Ellen ? who also died 1877.

This John's son Samuel b1826 -1903 was a National school teacher in Bailieborough. He could speak Irsih & English. He married Elizabeth Bell who was the daughter of a Presbeterian Minister. Her family refused contact after the marriage. I did find Samuel Quoyle some time ago on the Griffiths Register - a property called - Beglieve, Knockbride Parish Bailieborough. I found it on a parish map online but have since lost the link. However when I searched again last night I couldn't find any mention of them on the Register!

Samuel & Isabella's children are:

James Quoyle 1851 – 1934 James lived & died  in Galway, was a school teacher as were 2 of his sons John Samuel & Thomas Nicholas. Thomas joined the Connought Rangers & was killed on the Gallipoli Peninsula on 21.8.1915.       John Samuel Quoyle 1855 – 1918  My great grandfather died at 53 Frederick St in Rockdale, NSW, Australia of bowel cancer 23.5.1918. His death Cert says he was 65 but we have no exact date of birth & some in the family say it could be as early as 1852-3. John married Catherine Murphy [from Forkhill Co.Armagh] in 1883 & had 7 children - Annie, Kate, Nellie, John, Alice, James & Bert. James is my Grandfather b1891 d 1986. 

Mary Petterson nee Quoyle 1857 – 1940  Only just discovered this relative's family . She came to Australai @18 met & married Charles Oscar Petterson at 22 & moved to the mining town Kalgoolie in Western Australia. John Samuel didn't approve & broke off all contact. We lost her & her descendants for over a 130 years until about a month ago when I was contacted by an elderly lady called Marion from Victoria.

Ellen formerly Elizabeth Quoyle 1859 –  lived in Australia for a short time came out with Mary & Elizabeth. returned to Ireland, never married, lived in the family home. We know she was originally called Elizabeth but I don't know how she ended up being known as Ellen / Nellie. She lived in the family home with two siblings Francis & Brigid.

Elizabeth aka Bessie Quoyle 1862 – 1936  My mother had strong memories of Aunty Bessie - a lively happy woman! She worked as a housekeeper for various families Including the Duggans of Rockdale. She never married.

Patrick Quoyle 1864 – Think he died about age 20.

Francis Quoyle 1866 –  still living in the family home with 2 sisters in the 1911 census. never married.

Brigid Quoyle  1868 – never married. In the 1911 census with Francis & Ellen.

Anne Quoyle 1870 – 1871 Infant Don't know anything about this person.

Joseph Quoyle 1872 – 1896 Don't know anything about this person.

Records may be available for the last five children - I would be interested in these.

Are Irsih Death Certificates like ours in Australia? They list the dead person's details & also any Issue - children. If so could a death Certificate for Samuel be evidence of John's birth?

My mother's last surviving siblings Antoinette b 1941 is trying to claim her Irish Citizenship & needs all these proofs - its been so difficult to date & I appreciate any help you may be able to give for this &  in building evidence to attach to my family tree.

Happy hunting!

Kind Regards

Isobel

Hi Isobel,

My Great-Grandfather on my mother's side is Matthias Quoyle born in New Jersey, USA on 6 Oct. 1861.  His parents are  John Quoyle and Catharine Tully (Toole).  Parents came from Ireland but I haven't found any immigration data yet.  It is possible that this John is related to your John is some way, since the name is not common.  I have been looking for ways to locate his parents trip from Ireland to this country.  It looks like they had another son Joseph but it also looks like that child may have died as a child.  Not absolutley sure about that.  I have a public tree on Ancestry (Burns Family) with a picture of Matthias and his grave marker.

Perhaps we can help each other.

Truly,

Jeannie

Hello Isobel, I was looking at your details again and the detail about Thomas Quoyle's death in WW1 jogged my memory. Some years ago I had a phone call from a man in the west of Ireland, possibly Galway, but I can't remember. He was asking if I knew where a man by the name of Quoyle lived in the townland of Urcher, and that this man was killed in WW1. I think he said there was a plaque on a wall someplace near where he lived remembering this soilder. He had found my nunber in the phone book as I also live in the townland of Urcher. I didn't do anything at the time nor did I hear from this man again. It's only now I looked at the 1901 census and find the Quoile family living in Urcher townland: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cavan/Bailieboro/Urcher/1053535/

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/687299/QUOYLE,%20THOMAS%20NICHOLAS

Its a shame it doesn't say where this soldier was from or who his parents were as I'm sure he may well have been born in Bailieborough, or maybe not if he is remembered on a plaque someplace in the west of Ireland. Have you any any further details about him? Regards, Les.

Hi Les thanks for this!

I have found Thomas Nicholas Quoyle in the Census & also his file with the CWGC. He was 31 when he was killed on the Gallipoli Peninsula on  21.8.1915. He was a school teacher in Galway like his father James & brother John. His father James was born in Bailiborough & was the older brother of my Great Grandfather John Samuel Quoyle. James & John's parents Samuel Quoyle & Isabella Bell are proving very hard to track down! But I do know this from recent research & these details from the 1911: 

QuoyleJohn   Townparks Galway  West Urban Galway 34 M

QuoyleJames Palmyra Park Galway  West Urban Galway 58M

QuoyleThomas Tiranascragh Tiranascragh Galway 27 M

And thanks for the certificate! I have made a copy of it having not seen it before. In Australia we have something similar available through our War Memorial in Canberra. I have been to one cousins grave in Albert in Northern France & would like one day to visit Gallipoli & see Thomas Quoyle's name on the Helles Memorial.

James Quoyle married a local Galway girl, Margaret Griffith/ Griffin in 1875 & their 5 children were all born in Galway - John, Thomas, Josephine, Anthony & Isadore. I don't know anything about Isadore having only found his birth info a few weeks ago. John never married as far as i can find, Anthony may have gone to the USA [I am yet to locate him] & Josie lived in the family home all her life possibly with John.

One of these Ireland Reaching Out threads I'm on has a contact in Connaught - Pat Madden? He's been in touch with another cousin Chris Quoyle here in NSW, about a celebration in 1915 for the soldiers killed in WWI who were in the Connaught Rangers. Not sure exactly what's involved!

So I'll keep plodding away! I find all the various bits & pieces coming directly from you & others in Ireland so useful! I feel like I have a network on the ground doing so much legwork for me! Its fantastic! & much appreciated!

Keep hunting!

Thanks again!

Regards, 

Isobel

The post 1864 births should be recorded. Check the LDS site

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start

The drop down buton will give the year, location and reference number.Using those details you can download the forms from the GRO in Roscommon and FAX it back. Tick the box for photocopy not any other and it should be with you 3 -5 weeks.

www.groireland.ie/

Bob Graham (County Fermanagh XO)

Thank you Bob!

I will look at both of these & see what turns up!

I really need to find proof of Samuel Quoyle's Baptism [Catholic/Bailieborough] &get officail written approval of it as well as evidence of Isabella Bell's [Presbyterian/Armagh] roots confirmed.

Somedays I seem to make great progress - other days its slow & frustrating!

I'll keep hunting & I appreciate your input!

Kind regards!

Isobel

Dear Isobel,

Contact Cavan Genealogy, details in my first post, they should have  the church records, I have visited our local priests, but they are not to happy to let me rummage through their books, but if you get one from Cavan Genealogy and if the certificates are not official enough for your purpose, I can then contact our local priests with the evidence & make it easier for them to search & issue official records.

I also see that there is a Connaught Rangers association this is their link http://connaughtrangersassoc.com.

The CWGC site that Leslie was talking about also provides a service that will can email you a photo of the cemetary inscription for your relative & it is not too expensive.

 I also have gotten the War diaries for a relative from the National Archives in Kew England,for the couple of weeks before he died, while it did not mention my relative it gave me more information about the circumstances in which he died & the way they had to live, yours may be mentioned.  This did cost quite a bit, his death cert had very scant information other than "killed in action" 

Best of luck Carmel

Thanks Carmel

I thought I had sent something off to Cavan Genealogy but I could have just imagined that! I'll check & try again!

As for Thomas Nicholas Quoyle - he was most probably part of the assault on Hill 60 on August 21, 1915. That's the date he is listed as missing in action. 

I know about the War Graves Photgraphic Project & am actually in possession of a list to complete photograhing Waverly Cemetery here in Sydney. I'm also an adventurous type & have plans to travel to Gallipoli within the next few years - if I can manage it! I've made 2 trips to The Somme to visit a cousin - who was killed a few short months after he landed in Marseilles in 1916.

I'll look into the War Diaries option as well.

Still hunting!

Thanks again!

Kind regards

Isobel

Hi Isobel, I was looking for something else & found this link.

.http://www.oocities.org/etainbreslin/d24-schl.htm

it showed teachers & monitors in ireland 1873-1874, it shows a Sam & Mary Quoile teaching in Knockbride.

Regards Carmel

Hello Isobel (and all)

In researching the history of St Joseph's Rockdale have come across John and Catherine Quoyle and hope to include them in a book to be published (early 2017).  Do you have a photo of your great-grandparents, John and Catherine of Rockdale? Somone has a photo on ancestry.com but I cannot access. My contact is damianjgleeson at gmail.com

Thank you

Damian

Hi,

I can remember a few years ago seeing the name Quoyle in connection with Beglieve National School, Barony of Clankee, DED Skeagh.  He may have been a teacher: I'm sure he was.

I don't have the link to where I saw that now - but I'm very clear that I did see that surname.

Hope it helps.

Ann

Hello Ann!

I have seen that information too -

My family research progressed very well for a while there with me finding [in 2012/13] living relatives - Murphys - in Dundalk Co. Louth. It's filled in a few gaps but I am still looking for the Quoyles - Samuel & his wife Isabella Bell.

I know Samuel was a National School Teacher speaking both English & Gaelic & taught in a school in or near Bailieborough. He was buried in Urcher in 1903. Isabella died in 1908. I did make a pilgrimage to Ireland in 2014 & went with my Murphy cousins to Baileborough & Urcher & the townland of Beglieve - but could not find any trace of the Quoyles on the ground - no graves or school buildings. I did find a very brief reference to Quoyles in a small volume of local history in the restricted section of Cavan Library but I was not permitted to copy the pages only read them while in the library. I can't remember now what I discovered in that book!!

The Griffiths Valuation entry for a John Quale, in Knockbride Parish,  Map ref 18, mentions - Trust, Elphin Schools  - can you tell me more about this - is this a Catholic organisation? Does it have Archives? Or is it a dead end I should stop following?

The townland of Beglieve is close to Bailieborough - but when I look up maps for it - it seems to be just farmland without roads or buildings.

I have found, through recent DNA testing, living direct Quoyle relations in New Jersey USA. These people are the descendants of John Quoyle , Samuel's brother who left Ireland for New York in 1861. I had not known of Samuels' siblings John & Ann before this connection. So a little more of the family is revealed!!

Thank you for your time & hopfully you may have some answers or know someone who does!                                            Kind Regards

Isobel