Arthur McGuire, son of John and Mary(nee Clark) McGuire

Hi there,

It is a bit more difficult to carry out research without a more precise location. You could try contacting the General Register Office (GRO) for information on a birth or marriage record.

You might also be able to see if their names are on the remaing fragments of the 1821 census. But you would really better knowing a more precise location. the fragments are held at the National Archives of Ireland, or the Church of Latter Day Saints.

It might be worth checkig the land records called the Tithe Applotmant Books (1823-38) or the later Griffith's Valuation (1848-64) for details. Griffith's is freely available here: www.askaboutireland.com

Please make sure you link anyone else in your family who is interested in their Irish heritage to our site - and indeed anyone else you know of Irish heritage.

Kind regards,

Sinead Cooney

Genealogist (Ireland XO)

Hi Sinead,

Thanks for commenting. I am working from the Scottish Census, where, year after year the birth place is given only as Cavan, Ireland.

I have looked on Griffiths, but not sure if I can confirm any details. The family appear on the 1851 census in Dundee, but I can't find them on the 1841.

From ages given on each census, I can estimate that Arthur was born between 3rd and 4th April 1821.

The difficulty is trying to find someone with such a common surname who is the son of John and Mary.

I have looked on the IFHS website, but cannot even confirm the marriage of the parents, let alone his birth.

I suppose I am sking for a minor miracle, but if anyone could help, I'd be so grateful.

Don Farnham

Hi Don,

Do you any other information at all? Perhaps a record of what they worked at? Perhaps the surname was Maguire? You could try checking other variants of the name.

Hopefully, someone in the area of County Cavan will be able to shed some more light for you. If you do find out any other details, be sure to add it to this message thread.

Best of luck with your research.

All the best,

Sinead

Sinead,

Whilst in Dundee, they mostly worked in the Jute industry as weavers, or in the mills.

The surname has stayed McGuire all the time in Scotland, but one travelled south, and married in Newcastle as Maguire, and spawned all descendants with that name, but I do not know about siblings of this one rougue.

Don Farnham

Hi Don,

You should check the occupation records in Scotland or perhaps the UK National Archives about the jute industry.

It's very interesting that the name was changed by one family member. I would suggest you recheck some of the avenues you have already tried with the 'McGuire' spelling and try the 'Maguire' spelling instead. You never know what you might find.

All the best,

Sinead

Hi Don and Sinead, I am Mike McGovern and I live on Long Island, New York - right near New York City's JFK Airport. I am the IRELAND REACHING OUT Administrator for St. Patrick's RC Parish in the County Cavan village of Glangevlin.  I have been doing my family tree for about 30 years. My family names are McGovern, Dolan, and Maguire. Most Cavan Maguires come from Glangevlin, or neighboring Dowra or Blacklion, and from nearby County Fermanagh. I often access Griffiths Valuation and the New York Castle Garden website. Arthur is not a common Roman Catholic name, but there were a few Arthur McGovern's from Glangevlin. The Reilly name is usually from eastern Cavan, whereas the Maguires are from western Cavan. I will do some online searching (for free naturally) for your Arthur and others. I belong to the County Cavan Association here in New York, and will ask the mostly-Cavan-born members about your names at our monthly meeting this coming Friday.

Don - if you can give any more names (and dates) from your family tree, it might help me find things.

I am trying for a Glangevlin Gathering hopefully in July 2013. I am on Facebook as MICHAEL GLANGEVLIN McGOVERN.

Be talking to you both.   Regards,   Mike.

Hi Michael,

Thanks very much for the offer. All I know is :-

I am working from the Scottish Census, where, year after year the birth place is given only as Cavan, Ireland.

I have looked on Griffiths, but not sure if I can confirm any details. The family appear on the 1851 census in Dundee, but I can't find them on the 1841. Arthur married in 1846 in Dundee.

From ages given on each census, I can estimate that Arthur was born between 3rd and 4th April 1821.

The difficulty is trying to find someone with such a common surname who is the son of John and Mary.

There is no indication of any siblings on the census that I can find, but if they were older, they could be married and living away from the parents.

The family members seem to have worked in the Jute industry in Dundee, but were possibly farmers in Ireland.

I have looked on the IFHS website, but cannot even confirm the marriage of the parents, let alone his birth.

Anything would be helpful.

Don

Don - I did  a GOOGLE search for "ARTHUR MAGUIRE CAVAN" and came across this item in a website called "IRELANDOLDNEWS.COM".  It shows a Mr. and Mrs. Arthur Maguire selling a house on Main Street in Cavan Town, the County Seat of County Cavan. It's a newspaper article from November 28, 1863 (maybe from THE ANGLO CELT. Here is the article itself, and the link.  Hope this helps.   Mike McGovern

November 28, 1863

LOCAL NEWS

SALE OF HOUSE PROPERTY IN CAVAN--Mr. George GRAHAM, sold by public auction in the Court house of this town, on Monday last, the interest of Mr. and Mrs. Arthur MAGUIRE in the lease of all that dwelling-house,and extensive premises, with garden attached, situate in the Main-street, in the town of Cavan, now occupied by Mr. James FAY, and in which he carries on business as cloth merchant and tobacco manufacturer; subject to a yearly rent of ?4 12s 9d, and producing a clear yearly profit rent of ?41 10s 4d. Mr. LEGHORA, of Clones, was declared the purchaser at ?910. Mr. William MOORE, solicitor, Clones, had the carriage of the sale.

http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Cavan/1863/NOV.html