Crean

Len:

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I was unable to find a record for Denis. Banteer records start in 1847. I did find records for two possible siblings and the transcriptions are below. There were married in the neigboring parish of Glantane. Below are links to the online parish registers for Banteer and Glantane. Let me know if you have questions.

Roger McDonnell

http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0018

http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0055

Name:Honora CreanDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:07-Feb-1847Address:
Parish/District:GLANTANEGender:FemaleCountyCo. Cork
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Cornelius CreanMother:Catherine SullivanOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Patrick CreanSponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Ellen Crean

Name:Honora CreanDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:07-Feb-1847Address:
Parish/District:GLANTANEGender:FemaleCountyCo. Cork
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Cornelius CreanMother:Catherine SullivanOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Patrick CreanSponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Ellen Crean

Thanks Roger. I have found 7 out of 10 siblings in Glantane parish so far but Dennis was born around 1846 and those baptimal records are missing but maybe he was born in another parish.

Hello Len

I checked the Glantane registery and saw 7 children born to Cornelius Crean and Catherine Sullivan and I assume you have these.Hanora appears to be the first born but they do not seem to have got married in Glantane parish so others may have been born elsewhere .There are Creans still living in Glantane Parish.

Regards

Donie O Sullivan

I am looking for informatin about my great grandmother, Julia Crean, born 1843 or 1844 in Glantane.  Her parents were Parick Crean and Julia Buckley.  She had a sister Hannah, born 1847 who came to the U.S. with her.  They also had a brother Cornelius Crean, born 1837 in Mourneabbeywho stayed in Ireland and married Ellen Wallace in Kilshannig in 1864.  They had many children, several I have been able to trace with the civil registration records, but I would like to find out where my great grandmother grew up.  Ccornelius was in the parish batism records for Mourneabbey, but Julia and Hannah were baptised inGglantane.  The two parishes look very close, but it is confusing to me.I looked for Patrick Crean in Griffiths, but I couldn't find any record from that area.

I am planning a trip to Ireland next month and would like to visit the area if I could have some idea of where to look for their home.

(Cornelius lived in Dromahane after his marriage.)

Thanks for any help!

Judy Mannion

hello Judy 

Donie o sullivan back again. I had a look at Griffiths valuation and there were a number of Creans,spelled Creane ,in Kilshannig parish at that time including john,jeremiah,patrick,cornelius,richard,patrick julia,cornelius denis,michael and others with same names as above.As  these were land or householders in 1852 when Griffiths Valuation was carried out in this area they would have been adults and probably married with families.but some may have been bachelors  or widowers on their own.

You mentioned Julia Crean and a julia Crean was living in Dromore North in 1852 She may have been a widow in a rented house..Your Julia emigrated so this could be relation.

You mentioned Cornelius also and there were 3  with that name in the parish but it is very possible a Cornelius could be leasing more than 1 property,however, each had a dwelling.One was a blacksmith in Drommahane while the other 2 were farmers,one in Dromore North and the other in Dromore South.These townlands are close to Drommahane village. The Cornelius that married ellen Wallace could not be one of these as he would be only 15 in 1852.

Have a good look at Creane in Kilshannig parish and something might  emerge.Kilshannig was the protestant name of the parish and Glantane is the Catholic name.Up to 1921  when under british rule, all births,marriages and deaths were recorded under Kilshannig as that was the civil parish also .Baptisms were recorded by the church body..

I checked the Tithe applotment books c.1830 and saw only 2 Creanes in the parish-John farming in Mohereen near Lombardstown and  Denis farming in Dromore Lower

I would be prepared to meet you to visit the townlands when you arrive and to introduce you to a few Creans still living in the parish.There are Wallaces also living in the parish at present.

I will be looking at the parish register again soon and will check there also

Hope this will be of some assistance,

Regards Donie

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Hello Donie,

Thank you so much for your prompt response.  I have been looking for my great grandmother off and on for several years, but I didn't look for Creane with the e until after I posted my query the other night.  Julia and Hannan Crean left for the U.S. about 1867 or 68.  They had 2 older sisters, but I couldn't find out much about them or if they married.  I did look in the parish register for Mourne Abbey, since their parents Patrick Crean and Julia Buckley were married there in 1832.  But nothing was definitive, since so many of the names were the same, especially Mary!.  When I looked at their brother Cornelius's marriage record again, I saw that he was listed as coming from Dromore and his bride Ellen Wallace from Dromahane.   So of course, that's where I should have started my search.  Here in the states, we always say start with what you know and go back, but I forgot that valuable lesson when I started wandering around the Mallow area in cyberspace.  Cornelius's oldest son Patrick died in 1900 and was listed in Dromore.  Also his sister's weddings were listed as address, Dromore. by civil registration.  In 1901, Corneius had died in Dromore in 1896 and Ellen and three of her children live at #9 Dromore. in the census. I also saw Julia listed in Criffiths, she must have been a widow, I think.  It gets a bit strange for the 1911 census, but has moved, I think.

I am going to look further into these records, I have been in the maps and I think that that Dromore must be where my great grandmother grew up.

I wil be in Ireland from the 7th to the 15th of October.  I have been many times on my own, but this time I am going with an Ancestry tour.  I  certainly can  meet with you and perhaps meet Crean relatives at any time during the tour, if you have the time.  I would love to do that.  Last year I was able to go to Athenry, the home of Julia's husband, my great grandfather John Mannion and it was wonderful to get a feel for the area and I was able to meet some people there too.

I am now going to continue to search out Cornelius Crean's family after 1901 because I do think they were the only ones left in the area.

Again thank you for your time and hope to meet with you.  

Judy Mannion

Glad that the creane spelling opened up more avenues. The marriage in Mourneabbey means ,probably that the Julia Buckley was from that parish as most weddings took place in the parish of the bride and patrick Crean was most likely from Dromore which is beside Mourneabbey parish and there are Buckleys still living in Mourneabbey.. There are some Wallace families still living in the Dromore/Drommahane area also.
Just to let you know that Fr.Buckley is being transferred to another parish.

Regards

Donie

I keep getting alerts for this string of messages because I have an ancestor posted in Glounthaune (Michael Ahern from Clashavodig, Little Island0. Guess I don't know why there's all this messaging on a Glounthaune message board for events that happened in Glantane and Dromore. Glantane and Glounthaune are not the same place, and in fact, are 45km apart. Did you have an interest in Glounthaune, or are these posts in the wrong place?

I am sorry that this string of messages is in the wrong place.  I am in the U.S. and didn't know about the 2 different parishes, but I was looking for Crean and this is the message string that had my ancesters mentioned.  I didn't start it in this parish, just followed along.

I have had some great help this week from Doni O'Sullivan  and I hope I can continue with this thread for awhile longer until I get the people sorted out.

Thanks for your patience

Judy Mannion

Glounthane was constantly getting wires crossed with Glountane  in postal deliveries and the post office changed the spelling of Glountane to Glantane.The main post office  for Kilshannig Parish was in the village of Glountane so the confusion was constant.until the spelling change.The village name was also changed to Glantane.

Donie

Hi Doni,

I have been looking at the Tithe Book where there is a record for a Denis Creane in 1823 in Lower Drum.  Is this the same area, just called another name?

I also found them in Griffiths in Dromore South, as you suggested, it appears that they (Patrick and Cornelius) rented a few parcels there.  I don't  read Grifffiths very well, but they did seem to have several lots.  When I go to the map and go to the modern satelite version, it looks lke there is still farming there.  Am I right about that?

Also Ellen Crean lived at #9 Dromore in 1901 and was a widow, but seemed to have moved to Dromahane in 1911, but Dromore was not listed in that census.  Lot's of confusion formMe!

Also, you mentioned  Fr. Buckley who has been transferred.  Is he a relation to the Buckleys in Mourneabbey that I believe Julia came from.

Thanks again for your help.

Judy Mannion

Hi Donie,

I haven't heard back from you, but I wanted you to know that I am still researching my Julia Crean.

Another question that I have is about cemeteries.  Are there any cemeteries near Dromore townland where there might be burials marked, back to the 1860s?

Any information you can give me will be really appreciaed, especially since I will be in Ireland next month.

Thanks,

Judy Mannion

hello Judy

The nearest cemetery to Dromore is Kilshannig Cemetery near Drommahane but no crean is buried there. Ballinamona graveyard in Mourneabbey parish is another not far away.

The Lower Drum in the tithe Applotnment books is Lower Dromore which can be seen clearly when the page is opened up.

I had a look at Glantane parish register and saw 3 children baptised to Patrick and Julia Buckley-

Hannah baptised 10 April 1841-  Julia bapt.29 June 1844- Hannah bapt.7 jan 1846.  This indicates the first hannah died between  june 1844 and  january 1846.

Cornelius Crean and Catherine Sullivn had the following children baptised in Glantane--hanora ,7Feb 1847- Cornelius 22 Sept.1850 - Jerry,5 June 1856 - Jude,27 June 1858 - Mary,23 May 1860 - Johanna 17 May,1862 - Kate 13 Sept.1863.

This shows two Hannajh Creans with different parents. Have a look as these families appear mixed up in your records ?.

Regards

Donie

Hi Donie,

Thanks for your response.  I do have those Hannah and Julia records, I see the Glantane and that is what confused me in the first place.  Their first 3 children, Mary, 1832 Catherine, 1834 and Cornelius, 1837 were baptised in Mourneabbey where they were married in 1832.  

My great grandmother Julia and her sister Hannah, 1846 came to Boston before 1869 and lived close to each other after they married.  I couldn.t find anything on Catherine and Mary, but their brother Cornelius, married Ellen Wallace in 1864 and they lived in Dromore.  So as we discussed before, if you put the e on Crean, they were in Dromore in Griffiths and the Tithe Books too, at least a Denis was, since the Lower Drum was Dromore.

I also have a death for a Patrick Crean in 1864 and a Julia in 1867, but there are not images on these early deaths on line.  I hope to go to the GRO and get those records when I go to Ireland next month.  Also, I can look up the Valuation Books in Dublin and maybe see when Cornelius took over, etc.

The Cornelius who married Cathere Sullivan is, I believe, another family.

I was hoping there might be some Crean graves in Kilshannig, but at least I do have my great grandmother's grave and her sister Hannah's graves in the same cemtery, here in Massachusetts.

I am thinking of getting to your area when I go next month.  I have never been really anywhere in Cork before. Do you think I am right and do you think there is more I can do?  This was a mystery to me for a long time, until the e added to Crean.

Thanks,

Judy Mannion

Cornelius Crean and Catherine Sullivan is my family from Mallow area of Cork. They came to Massachusetts in 1863 and lived in Salem, MA. The other Cornelius Crean who married Ellen Wallace lived in Peabody ,MA. and buried in Saint Mary's Cemetery Salem, MA. the same cemetery my ancesters are buried in. So far I have not connected the two familys bit they could be related.

Hello Len,

I live in Chelmsford and I had looked at all the Creans in the Salem, Peabody area.  I saw that a Cornelius and Ellen came over about 1863.  But when I followed that line through the census, I found that they lived on Harris St. and they had a daughter Catherine who married a Murray.  I was really confused then because my great grandmother and her sister Hannah came over before 1870, so the dates fit, but I found the death cert. for your Ellen Crean and her maiden name was Connor.  She lived on Harris St. in Peabody on 12/19/19 when she died.  I made a copy of this record and I am going to attach it below.  

Patrick Crean and Julia Buckley's son Cornelius who I believe to be my great grandmother's brother married in 1864 and lived in the townland of Dromore.  I have his death record in 1896 from the Civil Registrations. Also his wife Ellen's death certificate in 1926 attended by a Mary Barrett.  Thier daughter Catherine married a Michael Barrett and in the 1911 census she was living with them in Dormore. So although her first name is Catherine not Mary, I believe that this is the daughter of Ellen Wallace Crean and this is her death cert..  The Creans in the Peabody Salem area are probably cousins to my group, since all of them were named Corneilius and they all came from the Mallow area.  Cornelius and Ellen Wallace Crean also had many children born in Dromore, the last, Denis, born in 1884 who died in 1886.

What do you think?

Judy Mannion

 Hello Doni,  I am going to be Ireland this week, first in Dublin and then going to be in Cork on the 10th and 11th.  You had mentioned maybe meeting me in the Glantane area and I wondered if that would be possible if I can get transportation to your area.  It would probably have to be on the 11th in looking over the schedule. Thanks, Judy Mannion 

Judy

I was tied up a fair bit recently and meant to get back to yoy re your visit to cork. Tuesday suits me fine and I will arrange for you to meet a few people. and visit Dromore.Wednesday I have a hospital appointment but could meet you later in the evening.Send me a phone number so i can contact you.My number is 00353862579106 that is my mobile.I could meet you off a train in Mallow town ,there is an hourly train between Cork and Mallow which is about 30 mns journey.Let me know where in cork you are staying and a phone number also.

 I seem confused with Judy Mannion and Jfrances 85.Is it the latter I will be meeting.

Regards 

Donie

my Hi Doni ,  we just landed in Dublin and I wanted to get you a message right away because it isn’t Tuesday that we will be in cork but Thursday and Friday staying in Blarney

My maiden name is Mannion so I often use it in research etc  my cell phone is 978-764-8961  (US)

My married name is Francesconi, one and the same person

Also it might be easier to use my email 

Jfrances85@comcast.net

hello Judy

 Now i know who i am communicating with. This Thursday will be OK for me .Have you transport,if not I could collect you in Blarney . there are 2 people to meet in Bweeng area ,Nora Sheahan nee Crean  whose grandmother was a Crean from Dromore and a Kathleen Cremin who has some info on the Crean family of Dromore.We can also visit the old Crean farm in Dromore. let me know what time on Thurday would suit you to meet and I will contact the 2 people to visit them. is it 2 of you that have come to ireland I assume. keep my number with you 00353862579106.

Regards

Donie

Judy

back Again

A place worth visiting is the Diocesan Genealogical Office in mallow where they keep all baptism and marriage records for the whole diocese and searches there cost from about 40-70 euro depending on the extent of the search.They may be able to link a number of connections to your  cornelius and cathleen sullivan.they would have records for Banteer and Mourne Abbey parishes .We could call there if you have time.

Donie

Hello Doni  I am sorry but I have mixed up the travel times.  We will be traveling from Dublin to blarney on Thursday arriving there late   I can only be in Mallow on Friday  if you can do Friday I have all day and I can get there

I am sorry to cause you all this trouble  

Hello Judy

Unfortunately I will be in hospital on Friday all day for a proceedure.I could meet you on Saturday morning if that is of any use  assuming all will go to plan in the hospital.  Unfortunately the timing could not have been worse. I have not contacted people yet until I am sure of the day and approximate times. Confirm if Saturday is ok.

Donie

Judy

All has been organised for Friday.I talked to Patricia and I contacted a friend,John Joe O Connor, who will meet you at Bweeng  Church at about 3 pm on friday.I have arranged to have Nora Sheahan nee Crean and a Kathleen Cremin to meet you there also.Kathleen's husband was a grand son of a Crean and Kathleen has a photo for her 100th birthday and she was born in the 1850's in Dromore. John Joe lives beside Dromore South and I visited the old Crean and Wallace farms with him recently so he will take you to that place . I hope you will get more information on Friday and that it will be a worthwhile visit for you. apologies about not being able to meet you but we may get a chance again .take some photos and e mail them to me. You may not have time to visit the Diocesan Genealogy centre in Mallow but i can follow that up for you later .

Regards

Donie

JudyI had this map coloured in for the land in Dromore South farmed by the Creans at the time of Griffiths valuation c.1852. I dont know if your guide mentioned that the maps on line in Griffiths Valuation do not always  match the names and plots  of land in the details of the tenants  as the maps are from a few years later. therefore trying to match up the areas on the map for Dromore South is difficult as plot bundaries changed between the documentation records and the later map records ,however,the overall amount of land farmed by the Creans remained the same but the ownership did change.

I hope all goes well for the rest of your trip.I gather you are staying in Blarney and where there

Donie

Hello Donnie,

We are in Tralee tonight and going on to Galway City tomorrow.  It has been a great tour and the best part was meeting you and the others yesterday.  I want to thank you so much for arranging it.  I have looked at your attached map and it makes it very clear. Your friends took us to the farm and The site of Kilpadder Chapel. Then we found the old church in Mourne Abbey and walked around the graveyard.  

I hope you are feeling well today.  If you give me your email I will send you some pictures of the church in Mourne Abbey, although I am sure you know it well.

My email is jfrances85@comcast.net.

Again thank you and also please thank your friends for me.    

Judy Mannion