Annie states on her Australian Marriage certificate that she was born in Macroom Ireland Her parents were Margaret O'Donoghue. and Timothy O'Sullivan Both these surnames were spelt with or without the O'
Any help appreciated
Anita B
Anita
Saturday 4th Apr 2020, 07:05AMMessage Board Replies
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Anita:
Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!
The Macroom RC records go back to 1803 for baptisms https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0077 I searched the subscription site Roots Ireland but did not find a baptismal record with the parents listed. What was Anne's approximate year of birth? I do see some baptismal records in Newmarket in 1859, 1861, 1864 for children of Patrick Sullivan and Margaret Donoghue but maybe this is a different family.
Roger McDonnell
Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
Saturday 4th Apr 2020, 12:43PM -
Roger
firstly thank you for your assistance
According to her DC Annie was about 10 year old when she migrated to AUSTRALIA presumably with her parents We have
found no evidence of the actual voyage
Birth 1883 • Macroom, Cork, Ireland (approx date per Family Org.com)
With Thanks Anita
Anita
Sunday 5th Apr 2020, 05:47AM -
Anita,
I have done an exhaustive seach of the civil records of Macroom from 1864 to 1890 and found no birth record ofMargaret Sullivan daughter of Patrick Sullivan & Margaret O'Donoghue. In addition there is no marriage record of Patrick Sullivan & Margaret Donoghue. How sure are you that the area is Macroom?
Bill Fahy
Bill, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
Sunday 5th Apr 2020, 02:50PM -
The daughter is Winnifred Annie. She listed Macroom on her marriage certificate as her place of birth
cheers Anita
Anita
Monday 6th Apr 2020, 06:30AM -
Hi Anita,
i have also checked the Civil Records and Baptismal Records for the entire of Cork Copunty for Winifred Annie, and spelled Annie as Anne and Ann and found none with the parents Patrick Sullivan & Margaret Donoghue.
What year was her marriage and what age was given for her. If there was not an age given, please let us have a year of marriage and we can get a better estimate of her birth year from, that.
Abbeystrowry Cork
Monday 6th Apr 2020, 09:33AM -
Annie was married at Winsor a suburb of Mlbourne Austra;ia in 193 to Herbert Victor Bennet. The MC certificate states that she was 20 years old
Cheers
Anita B
Anita
Wednesday 8th Apr 2020, 02:26AM -
Hi Anita,
the year of Marriage is incomplete so does nothing to estimate year of birth. would you pleasem resend with complete year of marriage or copy of the document it is written on.
Frank
Abbeystrowry Cork
Friday 10th Apr 2020, 09:47PM -
Married 1903
born approx 1883 Macorrm Immigrated to Australia approx 1893 presumably with parents who we have not been able to trace in Australia
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cheers
Anita B
Sunday 12th Apr 2020, 05:13AM -
Hi Anita,
I have searched the Civil Records for ALL of Ireland from 1864 to 1883, firstly to find a Marriage for Patrick Sullivan & Margaret Donoghue and did not succeed Secondly I again searched All of Ireland for a Marriage of a Margaret Donoghue & any Sullivan for the same range of years and only came up with one record of Jeremiah Sullivan & Margaret Donoghue in Enniskeane Parish in 1870 Link to their Civil Marriage below,
Below this Civil Marriage is a Baptismal Record from Enniskeane Church for Margaret.
If Annie was 20 in 1903 then she would have been born/baptised in 1881 - 1883, there is no record of an Annie Sullivan born in Ireland with Sullivan/Donoghue between these years.
I have found a church record of a Baptism a Margaret Sullivan with Parents Jerry Sullivan & Margaret Doinoghue in Dunmanway Church dated 16 March 1876 and while the first name is Margaret, there is an Annie Sullivan as a sponsor and it is not unusual for errors of this nature in Church Records. There is an Irish saying that the person who made the entry error had been standing too cliose to the altar wine. The church record is here:
The transcribed version of it is here:
Again we have a mystery as the only Margaret Sullivan with a mother formerly Donoghue to be found in the Civil Register for 1876 is dated in June of that year but one could note that Jeremiah as the informer is illiterate as there is only his "mark" as the informant and informer and this may also have been the reason that Margaret was in the Church Record and not Annie. There are hundreds of errors such as these on bot Civil and Church records.
The Civil record of the birth is here:
Anita, I wish I could be more positive but in all I have spent about eleven hours on this query and am absolutely certain that there are no other records coming even remotely nearer to the facts as you know them. I know that the age of Annie is greater than that she stated at her marriage but she is the only daughter of a Sullivan/Donoghue couple in the whole country and after years of experience in tracing people, I would be very surprised if this is not her. Just one other little thing, you were very confident that Macroom was the birth place of Annie, Dunmmanway which was given as the birthplace of Jeremiah who could have been Jeremiah Patrick and Dunmanway is just about 17 miles from there and he and Margaret were married in Murragh Civil Parish in Enniskeane which indicates that Margaret was born in that area which is even closer to Macroom at 15 miles. Again possible that both the name and area were mistakenly written down or misheard between father, mother and daughter.
My apologies for all the rambling explanations but I feel very confidant that these are the correct people and want you to keep the points above in mind in any future investigations. Please also remember that the information given is based on the records of Ireland as a whole rather than just Cork County. You can find all of the above information on www,irishgenealogy.ie
All the very best,
Hope I helped you find your past.
Frank
Abbeystrowry Cork
Tuesday 14th Apr 2020, 09:12AM