Fitzgibbon, Nunan, Noonan, Callaghan

Jane:

Welcome back to Ireland Reaching Out!

I located the December 22nd 1865 civil birth record.  The family was living in Clashgannive townland in Rathgoggan civil parish. See below.

I also located the 1862 church marriage record for William and Ellen on the subscription site Roots Ireland. The church was Milford/Freemount RC.

I also found an 1838 baptismal record for an Ellen Noonan in Milford parish. There was also an 1841 record in Kildorrery. See 1838 record below.

Roger McDonnell

Date of Marriage:22-Feb-1862
Parish / District:MILFORD
County:Co. Cork
Husband  WilliamFitzgibbon
Wife EllenNunanWitness 1
Witness 2Name:JoannesBlake
PatritiusFitzgibbon 

  https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_retur…

Name:Ellen NunanDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:03-Dec-1838Address:
Parish/District:MILFORDGender:FemaleCountyCo. Cork
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Patrick NunanMother:Catherine MccoulifOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Dionysius Mccoulif Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Catherina Hart 

Hi! Thank you. Are there any records stating the anyhting about William Fitzgibbon? Or the parents of Catherine Mccoulif or Patrick Nunan. Any siblings to Daniel Fitzgibbon. I think they may be;Hanoran, Margaret, Patrick, Michael, John and Ellen Fitzgibbon and farmers. I think Ellen may have died in the Ennis womans lunatic assylum? Siblings for William and Ellen my 3rd great grandparents? Thanks!! Jane

I have an interest in Ellen Callaghan born in corkcity in 1810. In Irelands Roman catholic parish baptisms Ellens parents were William Callaghan and Ellen Noonan. I am unsure if this is our Ellen Callaghan though, our Ellen married John Regan c1830 and immigrated to Australia in 1837. would really like to find if we are connected.

Hi there

I too am on the Callaghan trail and am somehow connected to Jane through the Callaghan line.

My 3 x Grt Grandfather was James Callaghan, born Cork. We are unsure of the exact date as it was recorded in some memories by his daughter Mary (#2) born in New Zealand in 1846 that he was born on the evening the French invaded Bantry Bay and cannon fire could be heard all through the night. This could be in 1796 or 1798. Relatives researching in Ireland in the 1990's thought the family came from Cork City but it has been difficult to firm anything up. Would you be able to hear cannon fire from Cork City?

James Callaghan married Mary McMahon (born Limerick 1806) and in 1836 immigrated to Australia and then on to New Zealand in 1837. (this may connect with kevynne above too). James' and Mary's oldest son James was believed to have been left behind in Cork but once again no one has been able to clarify this. Another son may have been left in Australia, but not sure.

They had Mary and James (born 1831), John (1833), David (1835), Charles (1837), Richard (1839), Matthew (1841), Margaret (1843), William (1845), Mary (1846), Michael (1848), Thomas (1852) and Bridget (1854). So the family grew rapidly in NZ.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I 'live' on many of the record sites but have been unable to firm anything up.

Thanks - Meggles

 Hi Meggles, I found your email very interesting especially with the immigration connection to Australia and New Zealand. I doubt if cannon fire would be heard in Cork city from Bantry Bay , but possibly from Kinsale where there is a fort only 20kms from Cork. Our Ellen Callaghan and John Regan were bounty immigrants to Sydney in 1837 and in 1840 went to Auckland New Zealand where they settled on Waiheke Island. They also had a daughter named Mary who was born in 1840.Tales have come down that several family members also immigrated b ut only Regan family members were mentioned. I wonder if it could be that Ellen could have had Callaghan relatives the came as well. your James and Mary were having children about the same time as my Regan family were . I have nothing definate about our Ellen, only the birth date of 1809/10 and Mary Regan always said that her parents were from Cork city, the only information that i can find is that Ellen was the daughter of William Callaghan and Ellen Noonan and the parents were weavers. The Regan family were also weavers Do you know where James and Mary Callaghan settled when they came to new Zealand.

Hi kevynne - James and Mary arrived in Hokianga and then settled in Russell (Kororareka) in the Bay of Islands by 1840. They became servants to Bishop Pompallier and when the Bishop returned to Auckland during the Maori wars, they bought Pompallier House. James became an invalid though when an ammunition stockade blew up. He never fully recovered and died in 1869. His wife, Mary, sold Pompallier House and moved to Auckland.

I have reread his death notice and it states he was born in the city of Cork in 1798 - so it must have been the second invasion.

Relatives who initially did a lot of research in Ireland in the 1990's thought that they all came out to Australia on the Duchess of Northumberland abt 1836 - possibly as bounty immigrants. I have found some Callaghan names on the pax list but not exactly matching as far as I can tell.

It is also possible that Mary Callaghan's brother, John McMahon, and family came on to NZ but haven't researched this line. This whole line has been quite vexing. I have seen Noonan connections in some trees but haven't been able to make the connection in mine as I can't pin down James' parents. Maybe your Ellen is his cousin?

Jane:

The Freemount/Milford records start in 1827 https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0052  so you won't find a baptismal record for Patrick Nunan or Catherine McCoulif (which I assume is McAuliffe a Cork surname). I looked for William Fitzgibbon baptismal records on Roots Ireland and there was an 1832 record and an 1837 record but neither was in Milford/Freemount parish so no way to assume either record might be for you William. I found four baptismal records for siblings for Daniel. www.irishgenealogy.ie is a free site where you can look for the civil birth records and also death records for William and Ellen.

Also, you may want to get a short-term subscription for Roots Ireland.

Roger

Name:Margaret FitzgibbonDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:10-May-1868Address:
Parish/District:MILFORDGender:FemaleCountyCo. Cork
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:William FitzgibbonMother:Ellen NunanOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:David Hierlyhy Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Cathrine Bake 

Name:Patrick FitzgibbonDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:10-May-1868Address:
Parish/District:MILFORDGender:MaleCountyCo. Cork
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:William FitzgibbonMother:Ellen NunanOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Denis Riordan Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Ellen Hastings 

Name:John FitzgibbonDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:22-Jul-1877Address:
Parish/District:CHURCHTOWNGender:MaleCountyCo. Cork
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:William FitzgibbonMother:Ellen NunanOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:James Nunan Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Johanna Keane 

Name:Ellen FitzgibbonDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:26-Sep-1880Address:
Parish/District:MILFORDGender:FemaleCountyCo. Cork
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:William FitzgibbonMother:Ellen NunanOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Dan Donegan Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Eliza Sclanlon 

Hi Meggles, This is getting more interesting as John and Ellen Regan also came out on The Duchess of Northumberland. I have an entitlement certificate which says that they departed from London2.dec.1837 and arrived in Sydney22.april 1838. The part that has parents names and where they came from is blank  unfortunatly but they were bought out by William Walker and company of Sydney. I think they bought alot of the immigrants out. The bounty was 15 pound each and as far as I know they wern't allowed to leave Sydney until they had paid the bounty price. They had no children with them but before they left Cork they had at least 3 children who probably died.It is possible that James and Ellen were cousins. It would be great if we could find  a connection .I have tried for years to find more about her family but have nothing conclusive apart from this .On the birth entry I have for Ellen Callaghan her parents were William Callaghan and Ellen Noonan and they lived in Weavers lane , which isn't there now but was in the Parish of Shandon in Cork city.

Hello Meggles, Kevynne and others,

As my DNA shows Callaghan connections and I have a Sullivan 2G-grandfather from Co. Cork, I researched Malachi (sometimes 'y') Callaghan who married Mary Ellen Sullivan at St Finbarr's Church in Cork City 25 Jan 1808.  In 1820, Malachi, a member of the family firm Thomas Callaghan & Sons, Dublin died, as reported in newspapers. His death left Mary Ellen with 8 small children (4g:4b) from their 12 year marriage. It is recorded that she focussed on a good education for the children. Two sons emigrated to NSW, another to the US, the other remained in Dublin, as far as I know.

You might want to follow through Thomas Callaghan, a 1839 immigrant into NSW, and the other brother; I'm unsure the year or his name. Another reference for Thomas is here.

You mentioned William Walker & Co., Sydney. Do you know what form of business?

Well now I am assuming I am not related to Callaghan? Instead McAuliffe??? If anyone has done dna please contact me. jane@fastq.com

Well now I am assuming I am not related to Callaghan? Instead McAuliffe??? If anyone has done dna please contact me. jane@fastq.com

Hi Jane - it's Kay. We're connected through DNA and FB - am fairly sure it is Callaghan. I haven't seen any McAuliffe connections but until I can find the parents of James Callaghan born 1798 in Cork, I can't work the connection out. I have seen at least 3 Callaghan/Noonan mariages, including a Daniel Callaghan and Ellen Noonan marriage I think in the early 1800's off hand but the Christian names of the Noonan women haven't carried down the line I descend from so that puts our connection to Callaghan.

I might do a membership to RootsIreland for a month to see if there are any more records there.

Somehow Mum (whose paternal line is Callaghan) is connected to Nagle and I have seen baptism records for approx 10 children of Daniel Callaghan and Margaret Nagle between 1781 and 1801 in Cork SS Peter & Paul. No James but a John James that may fit. 3 x Grt Grandfather James' children's names are nearly all the same, except no Daniel! So still up in the air. But fairly sure our connection is Callaghan.

Hi kevynne - have been trying to find some more info but can't lay my hands on it at the moment and have emailed one of mum's cousins who did the initial research in the 1990's.

All I can remember is that James and Mary (McMahon) Callaghan emmigrated to Australia onboard the Duchess of Northumberland. It left Cork in May 1836 and arrived in Sydney in Oct 1836 I think it was. Somewhere there is a copy of their bounty declarations. One, possibly two children, were left behind with their grandparents, but not sure which grandparents. So they too must have worked off their bounty in Australia and come on to NZ.

I see Ellen had a brother, William, baptised in April 1799; parents William Callaghan and Ellen Noonan. The name William came down James' line so perhaps William (snr) and James were brothers? Surely it's not coincidence that they all ended up in NZ not too far from each other?

Hi Eire2Go

Thank you for the link to Thomas Callaghan. Oh dear, what a nasty accident he had and such a prestigious position he held before his demise. I printed it off for mum (nee Callaghan, now 84) to read and she thoroughly it and have passed on to her cousins.

I had seen the name Malachi in my never ending search of Callaghan records and I remembered it as there is a connection to Sullivans through Gedmatch, but not sure how, and with his wife being Mary Ellen Sullivan I noticed it. Do you have a Gedmatch #?

Mum believes our James worked in a bank. Somehow he travelled to Shanagolden in Limerick where he met and married Mary McMahon I think in 1829. Have found records for a Jas O'Callaghan and Maria McMahon for that date. But he may have previously been married. They had 3 children in Shanagolden before immigrating from Cork aboard the Duchess of Northumberland in 1836 to Sydney, as bounty passengers.

Not sure if it was William Walker & Co who brought out Ellen (Callaghan) and John Regan a year later but the company was a big merchant company founded by William Walker, an Australian politician at one time.

Hi Meggles,

It is indeed a small world, and in terms of Irish history of migration, it is shaped by the geopolitical forces of the day.  Some examples are the Fencibles who took positions as guards around Bay of Plenty (NZ) and acquired 'x' acres of land as part of the deal. Generally, they were semi-impaired ex-British Army....etc. personnel. The imposition of 'fireplace' taxes, window taxes and applotment law and tithes drove the Irish farmers off the land, into poverty and signalled the demise of Irish family networks within Ireland.

I too, have ancestors from Shanagolden, and often wondered why so family researchers also have Shanagolden heritage. After all, Shanagolden is not a major city!  But, it is one of the birthplaces of recurrent nationalism. Ditto areas of Cork & Kerry. Like minded people left in droves, and no doubt settled in similar areas and then married locals!  Kilmore in Victoria (Australia) is a prime example. And then, there was the famine due to the export of locally produced food... little was left for the workers.

The Irish business directories give extra information that complements BMD. The 1893 production of Guy's Directory has a section labelled "Car Owners".   Important enough to note that in Banteer (civil?) parish Thomas O'Sullivan was 1 of 2 men who owned a car.  Back to Callaghan, the firm of merchants Thomas Callaghan & Sons in1820 at 20 Fleet Street Dublin is listed here  Mary Ellen Sullivan resided in/at The Parade, Cork City upon her marriage to Malachi. I'd really like to know more about her. 

As to William Walker, there was an established legal firm at Windsor (NSW), and I think it was William Walker & Sons. From your post, I have some detail of the Callaghan to Sydney then to NZ, and will keep my eyes open.  No, no commitment to GEDmatch as of yet. Too busy sorting out the fringes of pre-emigration 2G-gparents.

Wishing you good fortune in your hunting!

Hi Eire2Go

You clearly have a good understanding of Irish history. Unlike me in NZ. I had no interest in anything Irish until about 15 months ago when I saw an Ancestry ad asking "How Irish are you?" I decided I wanted to know, and the more I have discovered, the more I have wanted to know. I have learned quite a bit in that time but never enough to understand it all fully. Lately it has been a bit all consuming.

I have come across the NZ Fencibles but not taken much notice. Now I will go back and check as 2 children of James and Mary Callaghan married a brother and sister Rowe, from an old English naval family and they all settled in Taranaki after the Maori wars. I wondered what possessed the Rowe family to come out from Surrey, but the Fencibles could explain it. My Grt Grt Grandfather, Charles Callaghan (born 1837 at sea on way from Sydney to Hokianga) married Jane Rowe (born 1851 in Byfleet Surrey). Charles' younger sister Bridget, married Jane's younger brother Nicholas.

Also of interest was that the Irish Nationalists settled in like-minded communities such as Shanagolden in Limerick, Kerry and Cork. This could explain how James and, I am fairly sure, other family members ended up there. Maybe too Dad's Walsh line. They all seemed to be in Kerry and Limerick before settling in Tipperary - I believe the rebel county.

James (O')Callaghan has been difficult to research as I just can't correlate any records with his supposed birth during the second invasion of Bantry Bay but slowly things are starting to fall in place. I will take note of your suggestion to keep an eye on business directories and to that end, someone similar in Dublin could match James, but I had dismissed it when I first saw it. I have bookmarked your links to Thomas & Son Merchants. The name Thomas runs through many in our Callaghan line and in fact a descendent of Thomas (one of James' and Mary's sons) has old letters where he occasionally signed himself O'Callaghan. Interesting.

I googled The Parade in Cork City, and clearly it was a good address to have so money can't have been so tight for that branch anyway. And as you say, Mary Ellen concentrated on giving her children a good educatuion after Malachi's death.

Thanks for your suggestions - and if it is ok, I may come back here to ask some more questions.

I hope your ancestry research is successful too.

This is a long shot as I know nothing about this person, but I have a fourth cousin named Liz Callaghan, probably born 1940/50's but I don't know where and don't know her father's name! Her mother's maiden name was Hull. I have a DNA match with Liz but she didn't respond to my emails so that's why I know so little about her, taken from a small tree attached to her DNA.

Most of my Irish ancestry on my father's side is from Buttevant in Cork.

Thanks

Chris O'Grady (Australia)

Hi Meggles,

I realise it's been a while since this thread was active but hopefully you are still around.  I believe we may be related, albeit distantly. In saying that, I am investigating all possible Callaghan connections as they are few and far between at our end.

My grandmother was a Callaghan in NSW, Australia. My father has a DNA match to one of your Callaghan relatives in NZ (a 2 x great grandson of David Callaghan, born Limerick 1835 to James Callaghan and Mary Ann McMahon). I have been doing some intensive searching over the past few days and found that the fare of GBP 30.00 on the Duchess of Northumberland was paid by James' grandfather.  Within the family group on the Duchess of Northumberland was: daughter Catherine/Kate (12), and sons James (5), John (3) and David (1). The application for emigration was certified by the Cork Emigration Committee member Rev Dr Quarry of St Mary's Shandon and signed by William Barry of Black Pool and Lawrence Lynch of Bandon Road Cork. There was also a nursemaid, Eliza Callaghan (aged 14) on this voyage and it was likely that she was related to this family, probably a daughter.  I suspect that both Catherine/Kate (12) and Eliza (14) were James' daughters from a first marriage, something you have also alluded to. The information I found indicated that James and Mary Ann had not been married long enough for Mary Ann to be the mother of the two Callaghan daughters. The records here show that James was a farmer and carrier. He was on Bounty Certificate #81 with his wife, aged 29 and four children. Kate/Catherine (12) received the bounty for single females, #115. There are Reel & Record Numbers for this information at NSW State Records so I hope to get copies of these.

If Eliza was part of this Callaghan family, she married in May 1838 to shipwright Thomas James Chilvers and St Andrew's Presbyterian Church, Sydney. The information I located indicated that they had eight children over a span of fourteen years, five of whom were baptised in Catholic ceremonies in Sydney. Eliza died in 1861, aged 41 and was buried at Christ Church burial grounds, Newcastle.

At our end, we are descended from a Michael Callaghan who married Catherine Slevin (nee Reid) in Berrima/Sutton Forest NSW in January 1845.  Michael stated on his marriage record that he was an Immigrant, Free and a "Minerva Soldier's Son" and appears to have been born around 1809/1810 (although perhaps it was 1819?).  Frustratingly, I cannot find when he landed here. It was long presumed that he was the son of Michael Callaghan, a convict on the Minerva in 1800 who lived in Windsor and Wilberforce NSW but I have searched all the local history births for the district and there is nothing to indicate that Michael (the younger) was born in the area. If Michael (the younger) had been born here, he should have appeared on the various Census and Muster Rolls connected to Michael Callaghan of Wilberforce. I have drawn a continual blank regarding Michael Callaghan who married Catherine Slevin.  The best match I have come up with is that he may have been the son of Dennis Callaghan of the 48th Regiment, said to have been born in Doneraile Cork in 1782, who arrived in Australia in 1818 on the Minerva, was posted to Bathurst, remained in Australia when the 48th Regiment sailed to the West Indies and applied for a Land Grant.  Surprisingly, he was given two land grants yet never took them up.  I suspect he died in 1827 and the Land Grants expired. There is no indication that Dennis brought either a wife or a child to NSW with him though.

If I then look at things a little differently, I also pondered whether my Michael Callaghan was a son or brother to James Callaghan and I wondered if he travelled with James and his family to Australia.  The passenger list for the Duchess of Northumberland 1836 is not available online but I plan on going to the NSW State Archives as they have a copy there.

Chris O'Grady, your connection to Buttevant is very close to Doneraile. Did you do your DNA at Ancestry?

Apologies for the lengthy novel but it is very rare that I find anyone with a possible Callaghan connection.  It's easier for me to explain what I know in one go, rather than in bits and pieces.  Hopefully it is useful and we can tie some things together as a result.

Suzy (Australia)

Hello O Callaghans

I attach a photo ;of Dromineen Castle which was the location of the O Callaghan Clan Headquarters from about 1500 ad until evicted following Cromwell's conquest  in approx 1660. The clan can be traced back to c,970 AD when Ceallachain Caiseal  became high King of Munster province.They were forced out of the rich Suir Valley in about 1300 ad by the Norman invaders and the powerful O Briens to the west but their journey between 1300-1500 is not recorded.They carved out a territory of about 45,000 acres along the Blackwater valley in c.1500 ad and built a few castles, the main ones were Dromineen and Clonmeen

Dromineen Castle was cccupied until about 1740 when it was abandned as it was in bad repair following wars.

I live midway between these two castles.

Donie O Sullivan

I just read the whole thread and my Great Grandfather, Michael Brislane, from Licarroll had a sister Catherine born 1836 who married a Patrick Noonan born 1831.  They were married in 1864 and Catherine died in 1874.  Patrick lived until 1904.  Any chance the Patrick Noonan born in 1818 was related?

Hi Suzy

What a nice surprise to read your post. Unfortunately I have made no real headway with my 3 x Grt Grandfather James Callaghan (Jacobus O'Callaghan). It is Charles Callaghan, born at sea in 1837 between Sydney and Hokianga, who is Mum's Grt Grandfather - the next younger brother of David. Nothing seems to fit with family hearsay and the records available.

Incidentally, Mum, my brother and I have all had our DNA done through Ancestry and I have loaded them all up onto GEDmatch which should show the generation of the Most Recent Common Ancestor. I have a small tree on MyHeritage but am at the maximum # for a free acct. I have loaded our DNA's to MH too.

Last year I was in contact with a DNA connection who shared the name O'Callaghan (James and his sons signed as O'Callaghan occasionally in New Zealand). The connection was a 4th-6th cousin whose O'Callaghan line had settled in Ballarat. Three brothers born in the 1840's (I think), Thomas, Jeremiah and Timothy had emigrated from Mallow, Cork, to Australia. The headstone of Jeremiah states that he was born at Dromineen Castle, but as Donie Sullivan says, it's been a ruin since the 1700's so they thought that maybe their O'Callaghan line was quite nearby.

We believe that our James Callaghan's earlier family were bog farmers likely in the Mallow area but our family hearsay is that he was born in Cork City....and as mentioned above, apparently on the night of the French Invasion as cannon fire could be heard throughout the night. As kevynne stated earlier this could have been from the fort at Kinsale. In the 1940's I think it was, a small booklet was written by a researcher on the influence of the early families in the Bay of Islands and this also says that James Callaghan was born in Cork City and was later sent to work in a bank. Maybe this is how he got to Limerick and met Mary McMahon. However, all records of him in NZ refer to him as a farmer, as does the information you have found. I have never seen the Bounty records, only been told of them by other extended family members who researched in the 1990's then gave up, but I did know it cost GBP30 for the family to emigrate to Sydney. Does the record you have state the name of James' Grandfather??

I was able to find the Pax list for the Duchess of Northumberland which set sail in May 1836 a couple years ago and printed off the Callaghans on board (attached) but there is no James (5) on board and no Mary. It shows James (snr I presume), John (3), David (1) and Eliza (14) and Catherine (12). There is a Mary Callaghan who emigrated on the James Pattison earlier that year and I wondered if she went ahead, perhaps to secure their position as servants to Bishop Pompallier when they arrived in NZ. It is believed this may have been arranged by Mary's cousin, Patrick McMahon, a general in Napolean Bonepart's army. He was often talked abt by Mary according to notes written by her granddaughter. I knew Eliza was described as Nursemaid and wondered if she was assisting James in Mary's absence?? All hypothesis!! She may not have been James' daughter though.

It was believed though, that young James did not emigrate and stayed behind with the grandfather. There is a letter written by the grandfather's local priest to Governor Grey in NZ enquiring whether the Callaghan family had finally settled in NZ and if the grandfather could now send James out to join the family as planned. This letter was written in the mid 1840's and is held in a museum. Earlier family researchers have sighted it.

The Callaghan sons seem to have kept within reason to the Irish naming tradition but in the case of James and Mary it is slightly confusing and I have read that the names of a dead spouse were often given to the next son or daughter of a new marriage but suspect James' father or grandfather was John. Mum has many DNA connections to Noonan, Barry, Burke which seem to connect to her Callaghan line but I have no idea how. A recent month's membership to Roots Ireland was unable to firm any of the info up.

Suzy your Michael Callaghan would not be a son of James and Mary as their Michael was born in 1848 and died in 1872 but possibly a brother of James, depending on the cM connection of David's line with your Dad.

I don't know if any of the above helps in any way or just serves to muddy the waters further. Haha the whole Callaghan thing just does my head in!! Any help greatly appreciated.

Kay

Hi Kay

That is really interesting regarding James (5) being left behind and sent later.  I wonder if it was a last minute decision to leave him behind, perhaps he was ill?  It appears that he was listed on the Bounty Certificate so I am going to try and find a copy of it.  Poor child if he was separated from his parents for what appears to have been 10 years!

I have both my Dad's and my DNA uploaded at Gedmatch also.  I dare say that if we compared our DNA there, we'd be able to find at least a small chromosome match to identify a connection.  We did ours at Ancestry also but our Callaghan side here does not appear to match up to many Callaghan matches.  I suspect it is possibly because all the cousins here are descended from four female Callaghan cousins and none of them appeared to inherit that Callaghan male line DNA.

Yes, potentially a connection there with the Callaghans your have mentioned from Mallow - it is quite close to Doneraile and Kildorrery, where we appear to have DNA hits also.  For whatever reason, it seems that this branch of Callaghans were somehow connected between that Mallow/Doneraile/Kinsale area and Cork.

Try my Dad's Gedmatch # XY6421783 against your Mum. Even if they only have a small match, the Shared Matches would be good to work with.  I'd love to isolate that Callaghan DNA in our matches. I feel like I am working completely blind all the time. I agree with you, it does my head in too.

Suzy

I don't have a name for James' grandfather yet.  I am hoping to go to NSW State Archives on Saturday and do some further searching.  As you have mentioned, there was no Mary named as travelling with James on the Duchess of Northumberland.  The information I located only mentioned that James was travelling with his wife.

I agree with the connecting names of Noonan, Barry and Burke.  I suspect it is a long way back.  I also think that perhaps my Michael could be a nephew or cousin of James.  Michael also used the name John on at least one birth certificate of a child in Tuena, NSW.  His wife Catherine had breached her Ticket of Leave conditions and they were hiding from authorities, using names that wouldn't bring attention to them. They also named a son John.

Hi Suzy

I tried Mum's GEDmatch # (MU9250716) against your Dad's. There was no connection with the default of 7cM so dropped it to 5cM and got a 5.1cM match on Chr 7. I also tried mine (HR5656409) and my brother's (QG6242490) and got 6.5cM on Chr 13. I then ran the People who match both or one of two kits with your Dad's # and our #'s to see if I recognised any names. One of the names that appeared as a match with my # I thought I recognised as being part of Dad's line. Wouldn't you know it!! The small match on Chr 13 with my brother and I is Dad's line!! Not the Callaghan line.....just to confuse things. But there is a small match with Mum pointing to 7.7 gens for the MRCA.

My main tree is on Ancestry but I will turn my attention to any connections on MyHeritage and see how I get on. I will see if I can target the Mallow, Doneraile and Kildorrery areas and see what names come up. I do know Ahern, Purcell and Scanell (O'Scannell) seem to be connected as well.

I would be very keen to hear how you get on with your visit to the NSW Archives. It would be fantastic if you could find a name or two we could work backwards from. Our James (5) never arrived in NZ, despite being named on the Bounty List, and no one knows what happened to him. Maybe by the time they got word back that his family had settled in NZ, it was too late and perhaps he could have married or his grandfather had died and so he stayed in Ireland. Maybe he got as far as Australia and decided to stay there. Catherine Callaghan never came on to NZ either and no one knows what happened to her once she emigrated to Australia with the family. So many gaping holes in the Callaghan line before they arrived in NZ.

Mum is connected by DNA to a line descended from Henry O'Callaghan born in Cork in 1777. The descendants of this line are in South Africa. They are on Wikitree, where I also have a small tree. Also on Wikitree is a William Callaghan born 1857 in Wicklow whose descendant has a DNA connection to Mum. He immigrated to Rhode Island in the US.

I have never managed to crack anything and it's been a constant source of frustration! :D  I hope your research at the Archives is fruitful Suzy.

Kay