Looking for birth place of decendant

Hi Douglas

Thank you for your query. It is helpful to know what sources you have used to date. This makes it easier for our volunteers to guide and assist you. The key to continuing your research is to find a place name of origin for your family in Cork.

Have you checked the immigration records in Australia? Generally, more information was given at the port of arrival rather than the port of departure. The University of Woolongong has produced, on microfiche, a complete index and transcript of all information concerning immigrants of Irish origin recorded on ships' passenger lists between 1848 and 1867. These are useful for finding out an exact place of origin as well as parents' names. The Public Record Office of Victoria has good online databases of settlers at www.prov.vic.gov.au Otherwise, other records may be found in the Colonial Office Papers of the UK National Archives, class reference CO 201. This class contains a wide variety of records, including petitions for assisted passages, emigrants' lists, records of emigrants on board ship, petitions from settlers for financial assistance and much more.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/default.h…

You could try checking the land records called the Tithe Applotment Books (1823-38) http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp  or the later Griffith's Valuation (1848-64) http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/     or the Church of Latter Day Saints (LDS) https://familysearch.org/        

The Tithe Applotment List/ Griffiths Valuation might be of use to you, or at least interesting for you. These lists constitute the only nationwide survey for the period, and are valuable because the heaviest burden of the tithes to the Established Church, the Church of Ireland, fell on the poorest, for whom few other records survive.

Following the discovery of a place name we would recommend that you search the church records. : Most Catholic records are held locally - One site which might be of use is - http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/ - where you can ?browse? an overview of available records per county. If you have any difficulty, you could try writing to the parish priest for possible assistance.

: Church of Ireland parish registers for the period up to 1870-are public records. Registers are available for about one third of the parishes, however many were destroyed in the Public Records Office in Dublin in 1922. Most are still held by the local clergy, although some are in the National Archives of Ireland and others are in the Representative Church Body Library in Dublin. A list of all surviving registers is available in the National Archives. http://ireland.anglican.org/about/42 and http://www.nationalarchives.ie/.  The Anglican Record Project is has created an index to their records: http://ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/AngRecord/bunclodyunionindex.pdf

Presbyterian registers are held in three main locations: in local custody, in the Public Records of Northern Ireland (PRONI) http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/family_history.htm and at the Presbyterian Historical Society http://www.presbyterianhistoryireland.com in Belfast. 

Here are some additional websites that may be of help to you:

http://www.nli.ie/

http://www.nationalarchives.ie/

http://www.rootsireland.ie/

http://www.skibbheritage.com/

http://mallowheritagecentre.com/

http://www.corkcoco.ie/co/web/Cork%20County%20Council/Departments/Libra…

http://www.corkarchives.ie/genealogy/

All the best in your research Douglas. Do not hesitate to contact us again.

Kind Regards

Genealogy Support

Clarification is required here:

The series  referred to (above post) is narrower than indicated in the advice being given.

The series is not as described: "a complete index and transcript of all information concerning immigrants of Irish origin recorded on ships' passenger lists between 1848 and 186a complete index and transcript of all information concerning immigrants of Irish origin recorded on ships' passenger lists between 1848 and 1867."

Compiled by Dr. Richard E. Reid in 1982, the index-series covers Irish Assisted Immigrants to New South Wales, Australia: 1848-1870.

Please refer to source libary for further details.

http://www-library.uow.edu.au/archives/collections/UOW095480.html  

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Hi Doug,

I'm in Australia and would advise if you haven't got it already to get a full copy of Stephen Frances Payne's birth certificate.  If he was born in Victoria or New South Wales the certificate should include the date and place of his parents' marriage.  If that information isn't on the certificate (in the case of NSW) you may be able to obtain it from the original church register.   The birth certificate should also include his parents' birthplaces though it may only the country and not the town or county.

If you find they were married in Australia getting a full copy of the marriage certificate may show if any relatives were witnesses at the wedding, the birthplaces of the bride and groom and their parents' names.

Melbourne was still part of New South Wales until about 1853 so if they arrived before then the NSW State Records would have the records also.  Unfortunately the records of immigrant ships arriving in Melbourne (Port Phillip) are not as informative as those arriving in Sydney.  1848 - 1860 includes a great part of the gold rush to Australia.  Many people actually went to South Australia then made the journey onto the Victrian goldfields so check out South Australia also.

Good luck with your research.

Hi Doug,

I'm in Australia and would advise if you haven't got it already to get a full copy of Stephen Frances Payne's birth certificate.  If he was born in Victoria or New South Wales the certificate should include the date and place of his parents' marriage.  If that information isn't on the certificate (in the case of NSW) you may be able to obtain it from the original church register.   The birth certificate should also include his parents' birthplaces though it may only the country and not the town or county.

If you find they were married in Australia getting a full copy of the marriage certificate may show if any relatives were witnesses at the wedding, the birthplaces of the bride and groom and their parents' names.

Melbourne was still part of New South Wales until about 1853 so if they arrived before then the NSW State Records would have the records also.  Unfortunately the records of immigrant ships arriving in Melbourne (Port Phillip) are not as informative as those arriving in Sydney.  1848 - 1860 includes a great part of the gold rush to Australia.  Many people actually went to South Australia then made the journey onto the Victrian goldfields so check out South Australia also.

Good luck with your research.