I am looking for more information on the Hogan and Gorman families of Co. Cork near Ballinspittle, Ballinadee and Kinsale. Here is what I know. I would be grateful for any help you could offer!
Daniel Hogan (born Ireland—possibly near Ballinadee, Cork) and Mary Gorman (born Ireland—possibly near Ballinadee, Cork) had Patrick Simon Hogan (born 12 Feb 1832 in Ireland—possibly near Ballinadee, Cork). Names and country of origin are verified by Patrick Simon Hogan’s marriage certificate in St. Lawrence O’Toole Catholic Church in St. Louis, Missouri. He told his children he was from County Cork.
Patrick Simon Hogan likely also had a brother Edward Hogan, and they established a boilermaker business together (Hogan and Brother) in St. Louis. Edward also witnessed the baptism of Patrick’s son, also named Edward, in St. Louis.
I have found a number of Roman Catholic baptismal records on www.irishgenealogy.ie. I have not been able to find a marriage record for Daniel Hogan and Mary Gorman, nor baptismal records for Patrick Simon Hogan or Edward Hogan, but I found several possible siblings--with Daniel Hogan and Mary Gorman listed as parents in the area of Courceys Country, Ballinspittal, Cork & Ross Diocese.
John Hogan, baptized 22 May 1839, Courceys Country, Ballinspittal. Civil parish of Ringrone, barony of Courcey’s, Poor Law Union of Kinsale, Cork & Ross Diocese. Sponsors Francis Croneen and Jerry Cummins.
Mary Hogan, baptized 2 May 1842, Courceys Country, Ballinspittal. Civil parish of Ringrone, barony of Courcey’s, Poor Law Union of Kinsale, Cork & Ross Diocese. Cork & Ross Diocese. Sponsors Daniel Croneen and Ellen Gorman.
Kate Hogan, baptized 2 December 1844, Courceys Country, Ballinspittal. Civil parish of Ringrone, barony of Courceys, Poor Law Union of Kinsale, Cork & Ross Diocese. Sponsors Denis Desmond & Johana Croneen.
Joannah Hogan, baptized 5 Jan 1849, Worlds End, Diocese of Cork and Ross, Kinsale. Sponsors Jerh Coughlan and Julia Sullivan.
Griffiths Valuation: The Primary Valuation of Ireland (Griffiths Valuation) published in 1851 records four Hogans living on adjacent property in Kilgobbin, Ballinadee near Ballinspittle, Co. Cork. These would appear to be the correct Hogans living as they do in the area where the Gorman Hogan family were baptised and with some names matching –Daniel, Patrick, Edward and also a James Hogan. These Hogans are living on the land of Thomas Lucas Esq. MD and renting House, Offices and land. Daniel Hogan listed here is likely the father of the Gorman Hogan children. The birth or baptismal record of Patrick Simon or his brother Edward cannot be located however Patrick is believed to be 18 in 1850 when he emigrates and Edward must be of similar age. This would then mean that both Edward and Patrick Simon were very young when renting this land, which would be unusual. It is possible that the Patrick, Edward and James Hogan listed are in fact the brothers of Daniel Hogan and the uncles of Patrick Simon and Edward Gorman Hogan. There are in fact three other Patrick Hogans also listed in the area at the same time – a Patrick Hogan renting from immediate lessor James Palmer, a Patrick Hogan renting from Matthew Smith Esq. and also a Patrick Hogan as an immediate lessor of a house. All the records refer to property within a small geographical area and are likely to be the same Patrick Hogan or at least the same family. There are records for a Patrick Hogan still living in the Ballinadee area following the immigration of Patrick Simon so there are certainly at least two in the region in the 1840’s.
There is also a Gorman family listed in Ballinadee in Griffiths.
Tithe Applotment Books: There is a John Hogan listed in Tilteland, Ballinadee in 1826. John is the name of one of Patrick Simons brothers and so this may be an uncle John. There is an Edward Hogan on land in Ballyoskill, Athnowen, Cork in 1827. This is also a common name in your Hogan family and so he may be a relative. There are a number of Patrick Hogans listed in the Tithe Applotment Books. Without a birth, baptismal, marriage or death certificate for Daniel Hogan it is impossible to identify correctly if these men were brothers or his or related otherwise to your Hogan family.
Wednesday 29th May 2013, 07:39PM
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Hi,
Thanks again for your message. You have obviously done a lot of work on your family history! I hope that someone with information on the family makes a connection with you and helps you to further your research.
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The National Archives of Ireland http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy1/genealogy-records/introduction/
The National Library of Ireland http://www.nli.ie/en/family-history-introduction.aspx
Irish Times: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/index.htm
Family Search: www.familysearch.org
Genealogy links: http://www.genealogylinks.net/uk/ireland/cork/index.html
Failte Romhat: www.failteromhat.com
Ireland Gen Projects: http://www.igp-web.com/cork/index.htm
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Hi Jackie I am trying to trace my paternal grandfather, a Hogan from the Ballinspittle/Kinsale area who emigrated to Lancashire, England in the late 1800s or early 1900s. He became a constable, later sergeant in the Lancashire Constabulary. I am in the Hogan Y-DNA project. Have any of the male Hogan members of your family had their Y-DNA tested? If not, could we urge one to have the test done to the y-67 level with Family Tree DNA? Most of the Hogans in the Hogan Project seem to be from a different clan originating in Co. Tipperary. Your relatives are the first I've come across who are likely from from the West Cork 0-h'Ogains, a sept of the Corca Loighe, related to the O Mahoneys, O Donogues, O Sullivans and O Dalys. I suspect we might be related (3rd cousins). Best regards, Keith Roscoe
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Hello jlhogan,
I think we have a common relative. My Grandfather is James Hogan from Killgobbin Ballinadee. He immigrated with his sister Mary Hogan in the early 1900's. Married my Grandmother Margaret Nagle, from Cork City and lived in Salem Massachusetts until their deaths. They had 6 children, 5 boyd and a girl, my mother Mary.
I would love to know more about the previous generations of Hogans in Ballinadee, the effects of the famine on the family. Would love to connect.
MaryBeth Boyd
MaryBeth Wanamaker Boyd