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I am trying to find John  Wilson of Grangegorman 1800's he was a gentleman, his daughter married Henry Taaffe about 1846,

never been able to find John Wilsons wife so I have no name for her., I believe the name Emerson is also part of the family.

I saw a John Emerson Wilson marriage record, I have found a lot of John Wilson's mostly in the North of Ireland, 

would really like to put this together if possible. 

Thank you for your time.

Betty

 

bettychapman

Wednesday 6th April 2022, 05:20PM

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  • A search of civil marriage records shows a marriage of a Henry Taaffe and Sophia Wilson at Grangegorman Church of Ireland on the 18th September 1846 - the groom is noted as a gentleman, age 27, the bride age 18 - first marriage for both. The couple both give residence as 63 Manor Street (Dublin city) and their fathers as Henry Edward Taaffe deceased & John Wilson also a gentleman.

    Thom's 1848 Directory shows a Mrs. McGowan as principle occupant of 62 & 63 Manor Street... so doesn't appear that Wilson family lived there.

    The Church of Ireland records for Grangegorman parish are available on the (free) IrishGenealogy website there are a few Wilsons mentioned going back to the 1830s.. one of these is a baptism of an Alicia Arabella Wilson in 1832 - parents John Wilson and wife Elizabeth Jane, the residence is given as 'Phibsborough' and John's occupation as Gentleman... so could be related.. i.e. a sister to Sophia

    Grangregoman CofI baptism records are included on the IrishGenealogy website back to 1816, marriages back to 1830 - as far as I could see the Alicia Arabella baptism is one of the earliest Wilson baptisms on the system
     

    Shane Wilson, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Wednesday 6th April 2022, 05:45PM
  • Hi,  it does seem that the records only show the wife's name is Eliza Jane there are several births shown for the couple ,     Alicia in 1832  Jane in 35, Randall Edward in38 and he seems to be the last. the addresses given are Phibsborough for the first, then Grangegorman Lane and then Stanhope street.  Alicia marries from Stanhope street in 1850 . There is a Death of Eliza Jane Wilson in 1869 and her age is given as 75 so born 1794. Sophia was 18 when she married in 46  born 1828  but there is no sign of a marriage of John and Eliza Jane there are a few Marriages of a John Wilson. Young girls often changed their names.  I found no connection with the name Emerson and Wilsons.   I looked in wills for Johns Death without any luck at least nothing that seemed to fit your John Wilson.     Best

    searcher

    Thursday 7th April 2022, 10:03PM
  • Betty, I haven't been able to confirm your Taafe marriage, but there was one Taafe birth in North Dublin in 1845.  Regarding your John Wilson, Pettigrew and Oulton 1840 list nine John Wilsons as living in Dublin.  However, identifying Grangenorman is more difficult, as areas are irrelevant and streets are listed.  None appear to be in Grangenorman, but one John Wilson, a watch and clockmaker, was listed as residing at 68 Great Britain Street, now called Parnell Street.

    Looking at some of the information above, Manor Street is south west of Grangenorman, by a few hundred metres and Parnell Street ( Great Britain Street ) is about 500 metres east of Manor Street and south east of Grangenorman.

     

    Walton Meath

    Friday 8th April 2022, 07:21AM
  • Hi ,          Looked again at your search, and found that it was quite a large family of mostly girls and one boy,John. There may have been a second son who died. John seems to be best man at most of the girls marriages. I know this does not answer your query, but there were  more children born than the ones in the Grangegorman area, even John, although 5 Stanhope street does seem to become the family home for some of the girls marriages. John and Eliza Jane had to have married before Grangegorman, so where.  These marriage appear in the time frame. 1817  John and Letitia Booker ( and yes, George Booker is a witness at Sophias marriage)   1819 John and Eliz. Bolton,   1822 John and Letitia Robinson, 1825 John and Sophia Sutton. and if we speak of distances they are all fairly close to each other as the crow flies.   Letitia is a name that comes out in the following generations and I got the feeling that Eliza Jane gave nice and out of the ordinary names for her girls,. I myself went for Letitia Booker as she had a John born, and there was a connection with Sophia.  It is prob. your Gt. or Gt. Gt. granparent .  As to the Emerson,  There is a Letitia Wilson who Marries a James Anderson Scott in 1854 and her father is given as John Emerson Wilson a China Trader.        Best

    searcher

    Saturday 9th April 2022, 08:49PM
  • Hello Everyone,

    I am answering you all on this reply post,  this must be an other the way to reply to each one  sorry about that.

    You all have given me some of the answers I have been searching for, I had looked at Eliza Jane as the mother but the more I looked at the name I thought I was making a mistake, then searcher mentioned Stanhope Street, I grew up in Dublin but never knew where Stanhope Street was, so it was hard for me to put it all together, my Great Grandfather George William Taaffe and his wife had a daughter named Letitia,  you have all given me a lot to work with I really appreciate it very much, I will try to find Eliza Jane and John Wilson's marriage record and where they were born.

    If there is a better way to reply I would appreciate knowing it.again all the names and places  will be a great help to me.

    Thank you all.

    Betty

    bettychapman

    Wednesday 13th April 2022, 05:14PM
  • Betty,   You may have thought you were finished.  However, your reply has forced me to go back through my own research of the last 15 years or so.  I have come up with the fact that there was a Henry TAAFE in Dublin records as early as 1820. This man was witness on a birth at St Mary Pro Church, which is east of Grangenorman.  He cannot be your 1846 reference, but he is likely to have named one of his sons Henry.  There are several John Wilsons in Dublin records between 1820 and 1849.  One is referred to as being associated with St George Church, east of Grangenorman.  Another has a wife named Sophia.  I have not spent enough time on task to identify real facts, and am rather busy moving house at in the next few weeks. 

     SARAH WILSONDate of Birth21 June 1821AddressN/RFatherJOHN WILSONMotherMARGARET WILSON  St George 2. JOHN WILSON  Date of Birth  15 November 1827   64 BRIDGEFT STREET    F  JOHN WILSON  M     SOPHIA WILSON  St Catherine

    3.  also a John in 1829   (as above)

    4.  JOHN WILSON   Date of Birth11 January 1824    AddressN/R   FatherJOHN WILSON    MotherMARGARET WILSON          St George

     

    You may want this record  :

    HENRY TAAFFE        SOPHIA WILSON          Address63 MANOR ST                 63 MANOR ST    OccupationGENT  NN/R

    Father       HENRY EDMOND TAAFFE            JOHN WILSON           MotherN/R            N/R

    Let you digest the information.  Let me know if you need more???

    Walton Meath

    Thursday 14th April 2022, 10:12AM
  • Betty, On reading what I was gleaning from records.   It would appear that the births are all irrelevant.  and the Marriage may give you some information

    Ron M

    Victoria Australia

     

    Walton Meath

    Thursday 14th April 2022, 10:17AM
  • Final annoyance  

    E H Taaffe esq lived at 8 Buckingham Street Upper in 1834

    H enry Taaffe  esq    NOTE     MD     at 8 Denzille Street  in 1834

    Walton Meath

    Thursday 14th April 2022, 10:30AM
  • Hi Betty,       You replied in the right place.   Sorry about the confusion, Stanhope street is in Grangegorman, around the corner from Arbour hill, which is a stones throw away from Smithfield, as to the Marriages I gave you , if you could take away the river Liffey, they would all be neighbours, although some are just south of the Liffey.      George Wm. Emerson Taaffe was born in my home town although his parents appeared to move about a lot for each child.    His father Henry Edmond said he was 27 when he married, which is 1819, and that his father was also Henry Edmond,  then Henry was baptised in  Rathfarnham RC  which may well be the reason why himself and Sophia were Married from  63 Manor street. His mother would have been Eleanor ?........    On the Emerson name. I often come across famous christian names of children when their parents want to make some statement.  Ralph Emerson was a famous Essayist / Philosopher who was famous at that time. He had a new way of thinking.     Best Myles

    searcher

    Thursday 14th April 2022, 06:56PM
  • Betty,  Here is an old request found on the Internet.  It appears to have some possible relevance for your search, although from what has been said, it might be another line in this family.  It does provide content you may know more about than I do.

    https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/taaffe/145/

    My ggrandmother was Letitia Eleanor Taaffe Parkinson.She was born on 7 July 1859 in Dublin Co., Ireland.She immagrated to California and married Henry Fitzgerald Parkinson.Her father was Henry Taaffe.I think that her mother was Sophia Wilson.Her grandfather was Henry Edmond Taaffe of Woodfield, Mayo Co., Ireland.Her siblings might have been Sophia, George and Harry Taaffe.If anyone has any information about this family I would appreciate your help.Tish

    RM  Vic

    Walton Meath

    Friday 15th April 2022, 11:20AM
  • One more before I go.  May not have more time to help.  

    ST. GEORGE

    Baptism of SOPHIA FRANCES WILSON of N/R on 9 April 1822.       There is a difficulty with this record  : 27 March 1822AddressN/RFatherWILLIAM WILSONMotherMARY WILSON

    However, thhis appears to be the only Sophia Wilson birth in the period from 1810 to 1833.

    Could father be William John    or  it may be that she was orphaned??

    There was also a John Wilson attached to St George between 1815 and 1828.  He was married to a Margaret ;    There were 375 births of Wilsons in Dublin in the years mentioned.

    Walton Meath

    Friday 15th April 2022, 11:38AM
  • Betty, I'm not sure if this is of any value.  It might be that neither Wilson nor Taafe had a long history in Dublin before 1800.  I have not been able to produce a William or John  Wilson marriage to a Margaret in Dublin before 1824.  this deals with Taaffe :   http://places.galwaylibrary.ie/history/chapter305.html 

    Walton Meath

    Saturday 16th April 2022, 02:14AM
  • Very final reply.  Moving house :   Not sure if the "facts" in the attached file will help you, but I provide them as they are all ( very unlikely) possibilities, but only you can decide.

    Walton Meath

    Saturday 16th April 2022, 06:19AM

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    Walton Meath

    Saturday 16th April 2022, 08:36AM

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    Walton Meath

    Saturday 16th April 2022, 08:36AM

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  • Hello Everyone,

    It has taken me a while to try and get some answers not much luck, but I do thank everyone for the  replies it was a big help to me as I was searching, The Henry Taaffe Baptised in Rathfarnham I don't know anything about.George William Taaffe was baptised in St Marys Haddington Road when one of his children was baptised, Letitia Taaffe Parkison was George William's sister. I did find a Letitia  Robinson born 1800 married to a John  Wilson St Peters  Dublin 1822, John Wilson was born 1797, both were from the same parish.I look for the children because sometimes the Mother is named.and there sre so many John  Wilson's, I haven't been able to find Sophia 's mother, I checked a lot of names and I am still looking. I found a George Boomer born in Kilkenny.I think I have another record with George Boomer on it as a witness,I was wondering if John Wilson had anything to do with the Church ?? just curious. the names Fitzgerald and Emmerson are linked to the family somehow. I will leave you all for now until I get some really good news.

    Thank you all again.

    Betty 

     

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    bettychapman

    Wednesday 27th April 2022, 12:21AM
  • Hi Betty,  Sorry for the delay, I was meaning to get back to you.    If its of any interest to you, is seems that John Wilson and Eliza Jane are buried in Mount Jerome.  John in 1862 18th of Sept, and Eliza Jane 17th of Dec.1879.  He was 76 and Eliza 80. Their home address was  21 Blackhall Street. Which is around the corner from the previous address.   It might just have a mention of her Maiden name, otherwise as Ron said you need the Marriage. The question is ,   how will you know its the right one .     Did not find a Will for John but Eliza Jane left all to her daughter Jane,born 1835.      I see you didnt know  the Henry baptised in Rathfarnham ,   but Henry said that his father was Henry Edmond and when he died in 1876 his age was 60 so born 1816.  I looked at the Taaffe's in Mayo and no Henry until much later, of course I could be wrong.  For your note, George William was baptised in St Andrews Westland Row the same year Mary was baptised in Haddington Road. He had two of Millie's siblings as Sonsors .  Also note that you could have cousins in the USA. A Letitia emigrated there.   Best     

    searcher

    Saturday 30th April 2022, 09:41PM
  • Betty , I presume u have the baptism of Geroge William Emerson Taaffe, in 1862. ?

    This baptism took place In St Peter's COI 

    This child was the son of Henry and Sophia Wilson  9 no maiden name recorded) of Serpentine Avenue, which is in Sandymount in the south city. 

    His later baptism was most likely to change religion.

    Carmel Gilbride

    Sunday 1st May 2022, 12:05PM
  • Hello again so many thanks for your response,Yes George William became a catholic at that time  I believe his wife's family were Catholic. I am going nuts looking for a mother for Sophia Wilson George William's mother, the Henry from Rathfarnham was the son of Henry Edmond and Eleanor Athy.

    Is it possible that Sophia Wilson was born in England ??, it is strange that she is listed as living on Manor Street when she married Henry.and nothing before, like a maiden name or a family.  

    Searcher I will try Mount Jerome tomorrow I am living on US  time,  maybe you hit the jackpot, I had contact one time with 

    a member of Letitia's family but never heard back, maybe I should try again. Letitia was Georges Sister. once again you have all really helped me, I thank  You.

    Betty 

    bettychapman

    Sunday 1st May 2022, 11:14PM
  • Betty,

    I don't have time for much follow-up, at present.   However, in the 1820 Tithes, there are several ATHY named people, but they are noy from Dublin.  They can be found in Co Mayo and Co Galway, Seven entries suggest only three names : Pat, Phillip and Simion.  You appear to have the ability tp follow up leads.

    Walton Meath

    Monday 2nd May 2022, 03:55AM
  • Betty,

    An accidental 5 minutes has brought me back to your topic.  It would appear that from 1805 to 1810 there were three Athy marriages in Ireland ( source :  RootsIreland.ie.  Two of these marriages return a Dublin NORTH location and strangely enough both return JOHN as the groom's name.  This may mean that the record has been duplicated and that there was actually only one marriage, but I cannot tell you for certain.  Athys appear to have migrated to America in the years before 1800.  However, four  children were born to Henry and Eleanor TAAFE, BUT between 1802 and 1810 )  1808 and1809.....  However, the marriage does not appear to have been in Dublin.  You might find this interesting   : Irish: one of the very few Irish surnames derived from a place name, namely Athy in county Kildare, Gaelic Áth í 'ford of the yew tree'.    and you might like to read this entry  : http://www.galway-ireland.ie/athy.htm  Sorry! I have to stop

     

    Walton Meath

    Monday 2nd May 2022, 06:21AM
  • Hi Betty, a quick note, I wouldnt get too worried if you cant find  Sophia's Mothers name.   The past is a foreign country, and Im sorry to have to say that it was totally dominated by men, even though lots of them claimed to be Gentlemen. Even priests and Minesters. If you go back far enough the mother was usually mentioned by name.        I have already assumed that John Wilson was Married in a different  county or country,as the births of 3 or 4 of the children are missing too.    It shouldnt be too difficult to find your cousins in America if you know what state they are in, or if you know where they live ,send them a copy of your family tree especially covering the older details  before they left.  its just a lucky dip, and you might just get what you want if you dip in the right place, as long as its there to begin with.      Best 

    searcher

    Monday 2nd May 2022, 09:49PM
  •  Just thinking,,Eliza Jane could even be a second wife.... Best

    searcher

    Monday 2nd May 2022, 10:11PM
  • Hi Betty, glad you are tracking down your Taafe family 

     

     

    Marionmw3

    Tuesday 3rd May 2022, 12:06PM
  • Hello Again,

    I am not sure about this, but I found a John  Wilson.  died in Dublin Dec 12, 1865. He was about 76 years old and there was no record of a family. his death was noted in the Belfast Newsletter, same date. Could he be the one ? Maybe he was born in the North of  Ireland ?. There were a lot of Wilsons and Taaffes in  Dublin around 1700's. Maybe the records I am looking for were destroyed. I have contacted the Church of Ireland records. Maybe they have something. Of all the Wilsons I found, there was not one Sophia Wilson born in Dublin to a John Wilson, but I found one in England. I know people changed their names for whatever reason I have it in my own family.

    I will keep searching maybe I will get lucky and find what I am looking for unlike Bono.

    Thank you all Betty

    IrelandXO Moderator DC

    Wednesday 11th May 2022, 07:35PM