Looking for info on the O'Flaherty's & the Prenderville's

Hi there,

This one is a little tricky. Can I just check with you if the Patrick O'Flaherty and Honora Fitzgerald marriage record you are referring to is this one in Dingle for 1884?

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/be1e6b0543039 

Which birth records did you use the gro.ie or the church records?

Try not to worry too much about names yet. We often find names on the census are family/pet/nicknames as opposed to those registered at birth.

I will need to find Timothy's parents in order to have some chance of finding him.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Martine

Hello Martine,

Yes that is the record I am referring to. 

I arrived at this record via the 1911 census which showed Hanora(Nora) living in Ballybeg, Ventry. This was because the childrens names seemed to match those given by my deceased aunt. One concern was that Nora was shown as 47 yrs old in 1911 yet only 30 in 1901. I understand the typo's that happen as I have found a lot while investigating my fathers family tree here in England. Tracking back using church records I was able to find D.O.B for all children except my grandfather and eventually the same for Hanora and Patrick.

To sum up I can really only confirm that the 1911 census showing Timothy at 3.2 Reidy's Lane is correct. 

I do know that when I visited as a child they lived behind the Co-op abbatoir at the top of Rock Street, in what was effectively an adapted stable. Grandfather worked in the abbattoir. Later they moved across the road to Reidy's Terrace. Interestingly it was their cottage in the left hand corner that was the site of the fire that destroyed a number of others, resulting in the reconstruction in later years. I hasten to add this happened after their deaths. My aunt did mention that at one time they lived in Dawson's terrace but I am unsure if this is the Co-op property I remember or somewhere else.

Not sure if all this history helps.

Many thanks for your time.

Kind regards

Michael

There were many reasons why people did not give accurate ages Michael. My grandmother for example did not know her exact age. Birthdays were not commonly celebrated!

Are you in contact with any of your family in Tralee?

Martine

Hello Martine,

I have on my last two visits approached members of the family, mostly cousins but they are all the same age group as me so have no or little memory of great grandfather. My surviving uncle was the youngest of the family and did not know him either. When my aunt was alive I gleaned all I could  as it seemed she held the family knowledge, albeit in memory rather than documented.

Michael 

Dear Michael,

You can contact St. John's RC Parish Tralee at this link

http://www.stjohns.ie/index.php?option=com_contact&view=contact&id=1&Itemid=145

and they should be able to help you some more. The records after 1900 are not online but they are held safely in the Parish.

Let me know if you decide to do that and what you discover.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Martine

Hello Martine,

Not sure if you are still my contact as it has been some time since I last looked into family.

Sadly personal circumstances, all happy, prevented me from progressing much further until now. I did have contact from St. John's Parish although these at the time did not turn up any information that could confirm my findings. As I am due to holiday in Castlemaine in April I am endeavouring to have a bit of a push prior to this in the hopes that if I am finally left with Parish records only as my source I may be able to arrange to meet the correct parties while there.

I am pretty certain I have established the date of my grandfather's marriage, Volume no. and Page no. which are the same as my grandmother's. My first thought is to obtain a copy of the registration , certificate but am a little unsure how to go about this, ie who do I apply to. It would also be a help if you can let me know what information is recorded on the certificate. My hope is there is sufficient detail of bride and grooms respective fathers.

Hope you can guide me along.

Kind regards

Michael

Sorry I forgot to mention where I had got to previously.

I discovered www.kerryburials.ie on which I was able to find my Grandmothers record. Like all those from St Johns Parish, who have tried on my behalf, I was unable to trace my Grandfathers burial record. I know when he died and where he is buried, the same spot as my grandmother, and have a photo of the family headstone confirming this. I know it is of no great importance but it does leave me wondering how this event has not been entered in the register.

Michael

Hi Michael, you can apply for certs here

http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Apply-for-Certificates.aspx

There have been some changes but it used to be possible to get a photocopy of a BMD record for 4euros.  

This article gives you some aditional information.

http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/irish-records-what-is-available/general-register-office-records

Burial records are extremely patchy in Ireland.Even civil death registrations are not complete.

Have you considered searching newspaper archives Michael? This site is a subscription site but you can purchase a limited search period and may find some information... you may find an obituary 

http://www.irishnewsarchive.com/

Do let me know how you get on Michael.

Warm wishes

Martine

Hi Michael, you can apply for certs here

http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Apply-for-Certificates.aspx

There have been some changes but it used to be possible to get a photocopy of a BMD record for 4euros.  

This article gives you some aditional information.

http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/irish-records-what-is-available/general-register-office-records

Burial records are extremely patchy in Ireland.Even civil death registrations are not complete.

Have you considered searching newspaper archives Michael? This site is a subscription site but you can purchase a limited search period and may find some information... you may find an obituary 

http://www.irishnewsarchive.com/

Do let me know how you get on Michael.

Warm wishes

Martine

Hi Michael, you can apply for certs here

http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Apply-for-Certificates.aspx

There have been some changes but it used to be possible to get a photocopy of a BMD record for 4euros.  

This article gives you some aditional information.

http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/irish-records-what-is-available/general-register-office-records

Burial records are extremely patchy in Ireland.Even civil death registrations are not complete.

Have you considered searching newspaper archives Michael? This site is a subscription site but you can purchase a limited search period and may find some information... you may find an obituary 

http://www.irishnewsarchive.com/

Do let me know how you get on Michael.

Warm wishes

Martine

Hi Martine,

Thanks for your help.

I have applied for and received my Grandfather and Grandmother's marriage certificate dated 22nd January 1910. This confirms that my Great Grandfather was called Michael Flaherty a labourer from Blennerville.

With this info I searched 1901 & 1911 census records.

1911 shows Michael (age 70) living at 18 Curragraigue, Blennerville, with wife Ellen (70) and children John (47), Tom (29) & Norah (23).

1901 shows Ellen (age 50) living at 11 Curragraigue with children, John (30), Thomas (20), Norah (13), Thade (24) and Hannah (18). Thade as I understand is Timothy in English. Interestingly there is a Minnie Floherty (15) living next door, think this is a typo as original document looks like Flaherty. Added to this Minnie was a name well used in the family.

I think namewise there are sufficient coincidences here to assume they are the same family. Only concern is Michael is not present, and I am struggling to find out where he was. Were these census records accurate in that they always listed persons present in ther household only.  As we have discussed before ages are pretty fluid although a couple of the childrens do match from one census to the next.

As I seem to have reached another 'brickwall' can you make any suggestions. As I will be in Kerry next month from 6th I would appreciate any direction as I would be able to do any legwork if you think it would be fruitful.

Kind regards

Michael

Hi Martine,

As you can gather I am beavering away to cover as much ground as possible before my visit.

I have traced the death of one of my grandfathers brothers, with grandfather listed as person responsible on record. I am not sure if this will help me but he is shown as buried in Clogherbrien which is off the Ardfert road. I can recall my uncle telling me once this was the family's cemetry so think this may be worth a visit. From memory it was rather overgrown and in the process of being cleared when I visited 5 years ago. Do you know if there is any record of plot numbers or the like for cemetries which may help me.

I have traced the burial of another of my grandfathers uncles to Rath, listed as New Rathas 3. Is this the cemetry on Ballinorig road? If so coincidentaly my grandparents are there. Again knowing the search I had when looking for grandfathers grave, is there any record of plots?

Sorry to keep adding more and more questions.

Many thanks for your consideration.

Regards

Michael

Dear Michael, I am so disappointed..I only received your message tonight! Have you already visited?

Martine

I know both graveyards..a little and yes Rath is in Ballinorig near Kerry General Hospital. Clogherbrien has been cleaned up but I don't know if it has been recorded.

People from Blennerville were generally baptised and married in St. John's RC Church Tralee. It is unusual for people to be allowed to see the church records in St. John's nowadays although the volunteer archivist will search for people if given enough time. 

Have you an email where I can contact you directly?

Martine

Goog morning Martine,

Please don,t worry about keeping up with my holiday deadline. I am grateful for your help which I appreciate is voluntary.

I am due to visit from 6th April for two weeks.

My email address is michaelcarr@btinternet.com

Did you receive my first email on the 20th regarding my census searches?

Kind regards

Michael