Kiernan

Hi Brian
I checked www,rootsireland.ie/ for birth/baptisms for John Kiernan 1845 + - 10 years and got 20 matches.
However none is from Kells or has father Richard.
Many do not mention denomination & some are R C.
This is the only 1 with mother Bridget:
Name: John Kiernan Date of Birth:
Date of Baptism: 12-Jan-1841
Address: Parish/District: Oldcastle
Gender: County Co. Meath
Denomination:
Father: Michael Kiernan Mother: Bridget Coyle
Occupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: Coyle Peter Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Coyle Margaret

Oldcastle is 21km from Kells

The Tithe Applotments (free at http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/) have 22 Kiernans in Meath 1820's & 30's but no Richards.

Griffiths Valuation (freehttp://www.askaboutireland.ie/) has 3 in Meath in Kells parish in 1854 but no Richards

The 1821 Irish Census (free at http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/) has 97 Kiernans in Meath but not 1 Richard!
The 1901 has 14 in Kells

This is the only (possibly) relevant death record I could find: Name: Bryan Kiernan Date of Death: 12-Feb-1880
Age: 66 Parish / District: KELLS
Address: Castle St County: Co. Meath
Status: Married Denomination: Civil Record
Occupation: SHOPKEEPER Sex: Male
Graveyard Informant
Graveyard: Relationship: Householder
Parish: Name: Charles Kiernan
County: Address: Castle St Kells

Col

Hello Col. That was quick! And impressively detailed.

That the mother's surname was Coyle suggests to me that the info. I have has been scrambled. A Richard M. Coyle is mentioned as a parent. Now it seems father of the bride rather than the groom?

If so it would seem that John subtracted a few years from his age when getting married (in RC church)?

Greatly appreciate your generosity.

Brian

Hello Col. That was quick! And impressively detailed.

That the mother's surname was Coyle suggests to me that the info. I have has been scrambled. A Richard M. Coyle is mentioned as a parent. Now it seems father of the bride rather than the groom?

If so it would seem that John subtracted a few years from his age when getting married (in RC church)?

Greatly appreciate your generosity.

Brian

Your reply reminded me that I hadn't looked for the parents' marriage & look what turned up:

Date of Marriage: 31-Jan-1831
Parish / District: OLDCASTLE County: Co. Meath
Husband Wife
Name: Michael Kiernan Bridget Coyle

Col

So the John Kiernan DOB or Baptism 12 Jan 1841 at Oldcastle must be the one? Thanks Col. Any suggestions for getting further info. such as which church in Oldcastle, his father's occupation, whether there were any siblings.

Again, many thanks

Hi Brian

Looks convincing given that the mother's name is right.

As far as the church goes, if you click on Find My Parish at the top of this page and enter Oldcastle you'll be able to post to those experts & ask about churches.

The marriage record above is very poor - often the occupation is included as well as groom & bride's fathers!

None of the other records - Tithes, Griffiths & Censuses have occupations.

I can help with siblings though: (however father's occupation is omitted in all of thses also!!)

Name: Mary Kiernan Date of Birth: Date of Baptism: 06-Jul-1846 Address: Parish/District: Oldcastle Gender: County Co. Meath Denomination: Father: Michael Kiernan Mother: Bridget Coyle Sponsor 1 / Informant 1: Fagan Catherine

Name: Jane Kiernan Date of Birth: Date of Baptism: 04-Aug-1843 Address: Parish/District: Oldcastle Gender: County Co. Meath Denomination: Father: Michael Kiernan Mother: Bridget Coyle Occupation: Sponsor 1 / Informant 1: Markey Peter Sponsor 2 / Informant 2: Keeffe Mary

Name: Elizabeth Kiernan Date of Birth: Date of Baptism: 20-May-1840 Address: Parish/District: Oldcastle Gender: County Co. Meath Denomination: Father: Michael Kiernan Mother: Bridget Coyle Occupation: Sponsor 1 / Informant 1: Kiernan Philip Sponsor 2 / Informant 2: Plunket Catherine

Name: Michael Kiernan Date of Birth: Date of Baptism: 25-Apr-1832 Address: () Parish/District: Oldcastle Gender: County Co. Meath Denomination: Father: Michael Kiernan Mother: Bridget Coyle Occupation: () Sponsor 1 / Informant 1: Coyle Patrick Sponsor 2 / Informant 2: Smyth Catherine

Col

Thanks again, Col. Have taken your advice and have already had responses from Oldcastle.

Thanks again, Col. Have taken your advice and have already had responses from Oldcastle.