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Catherine:

Abbeyfeale is within the Newcastle registration district. I located a civil marriage index record for a marriage in 1913 for a John Lane in the Newcastle district. One of the possible spouses was Kate Murphy so this is likely the index record for the marriage. You would have to contact the GRO to get a copy of the record. Cost would be around 4 euros. The record would show the names of the fathers of the bride and groom and where the bride and groom were living in 1913. If you want to get a copy of the record, let me know and I will forward instructions.

I could look for possible civil birth index records but would need first names and approximate years of birth.

I did a quick look at the 1911 census for John Lanes and there are a number of possibilities but this record may be a possibility.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Caher/Caher__…

Roger McDonnell

First name(s) John
Last name Lane
Registration year 1913
Registered Quarter/Year Jan - Mar 1913
Registration district Newcastle
Volume 5
Page 351
County -
MarriageFinder? John Lane married one of these people
Mary Wrenn, Julia Harnett, Kate Murphy, Catherine Foley

Hi Roger

I would be interested to know details of GRO to get copy certificates thank you.

I don't know names of Catherine Murphys' parents but think mother might be Mary

and believe Johns' father was called Michael Lane. Don't have any details of ages but did find a census for 1911 for No.9 Caher Hayes which could possibly by my relative - John is 31 years old so possibly born about 1880? if it's the right one. So many with the same surname!!

Can you recommend a good site to look at as I'm trying to establish the number of children born to Catherine Lane nee Murphy. I know the youngest, Ita Lane was born in 1934 .

Thanks Cathy

Cathy:

Go to this link  https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Apply-for-Certificates.aspx  Print out the marriage form and you should also get some instructions. Fill out the form to the best of your ability and add the info from the index record: quarter/year of marriage, registration district and volume and page number. Check the block for a copy only. Also provide your e-mail address so GRO can e-mail the copy back.

Use snail mail to send to GRO in Co. Roscommon (address is provided with the instructions that come with the form). Costs around 4 euros plus your bank may charge a small foreign transaction fee.I provide a credit card number and never had any issues. Takes about two weeks.

Below is the index record for Ita. You can get a copy the same way as above except you use the birth form. There is no site that can tell you number of children born to Catherine. The church in Mountcollins may be able to help. If you can give me any more names, I can do a lookup fo civil records. It looks like Lane is a very popular name in thata rea of Limerick.

Roger

Cathy,

Don't know if you've made much progress on your search. This may be the marriage of your grand-parents:

Date: 4 Feb 1913

Place: St. Mary's Church, Abbeyfeale

Groom: John Lane

Bride: Catherine Murphy

Groom's parents: Michael Lane & Bridget Barrett

Bride's parents: William Murphy & Julie Brosnan

Groom's address: Caher Hayes

Bride's address: Crag

Witnesses: Michael Lane (Cahir Hayes) and Hannah Murphy (Crag)

I have given you the details on the Church record. There is a death record in the Abbeyfeale books for a John Lane in 1966. It says he died on 1 April 1966 in St. Ita's Home, Newcastlewest. He was aged 88 and was buried in Mountcollins. His address is given as Caher Lane but that could be an error.

Hope this is of some use to you.

Tom

Hi Tom

Thank you very much for this information. I'm pretty sure this is my grandparents marriage as I was told his father was a Michael Lane and also found this family  on 1901 and 1911 census.

I need to find a birth record for them both now - is that anything you could help with please?

I can confirm that the the death record regarding John Lane was my grandfather.

Find it quite hard to search online as records only go to a certain time and so many names are the same so never sure if I have the right people!

Thank you for your help

Regards

Cathy

Cathy,

The civil record for John Lane's parents (Michael Lane & Bridget Barrett) marriage is as follows

Reg Area: Newcastle

Year: 1875

Quarter: 1

Volume No 5

Page No 499

You can find this on Irish Genealogy Civil records section. Search for Lane in Newcastle region for period 1870-80. Twelve show up, one of which is Michael Lane. By searching for Bridget Barrett in the same region and time frame, you can confirm that the details match. Of course this is only the index to the civil record. It doesn't tell you which parish the marriage took place in. I checked the Abbeyfeale parish index but it's not there. Then I remembered that I have the index for Monagea parish as well. So I looked. And there it was:

16 January 1875

Michael Lane married Bridget Barrett.

The witnesses were John Hayes and Ellen Donoghue.

Unfortunately the index doesn't give further details. But I should be able to check the original on the microfilm copies at the National Library in Dublin when I get back there next week. So hold on for furrher details. You can assume that Bridget Barrett was from Monagea.

The children of Michael and Bridget were almost certainly baptised in Abbeyfeale. I have photos of the records of this parish from 1884 forwards. But I haven't transcribed them yet. And anyway your grandfather was prior to that - 1878 I think. Again, give me a few days and I'll be back to you.

Tom

Cathy,

I've checked some records at the National Library.

First the marriage of John Lane's parents. As already reported this took place in Monagea on 16 January 1875. Unfortubately, at this point in time, the recorder at Monagea only wrote down the names of the groom, bride and witnesses. Nothing else. I thought there might be names of their parents and their local addresses. But Monagea was a bit slow to move to the standard recording system which had been introduced in most parishes by this time.

I found baptism records for three children of Michael Lane and Bridget Barrett:

1. 28 Oct 1875 - Mary (godparents Patrick Lane and Margaret Barrett)

2. 8 Mar 1877 - John (godparents John and Catherine Barrett)

3. 19 Aug 1879 - John (godparents Patrick O'Donnell and Margaret Lane)

So, you see there are two Johns. Presumably the first John died in infancy. It was common at the time to use the same name again if the first child died, Since John is the eldest son, it's almost certain that the paternal grandfather was John. Now there is a slight complication. For the entry of the first John, it says in the margin that he married Catherine Murphy in 1913. I think this is a mistake - it should have been noted where the entry for the second John is. You can well imagine how such an error would be made - the priest (or whoever) would have had to go through the old books in 1913 to make the amendment. Obviously when they came across the first John, they reckoned that was the right one. The other thing that convinces me that your grandfather is the second John is his age in 1901 Census. He was said to be 21 then which tallies with the August 1879 birth. (Census date was the end of March 1901). In 1911 he gave his age as 31 which, again, is consistent with what we have already. Check the census record yourself. In 1901 it's house no. 20, townland of Caher Hayes, DED of Caher, County Limerick. Same in 1911 except the house is no. 9.

Now for Catherine Murphy. She was born in Cahir Hayes on 25 June 1888 and baptised in Abbeyfeale 2 days later, Her parents names are William Murphy and Johanna Brosnan. The godparents are David Brosnan and Ellen Connors. And in the observation column, it says that she married John Lane on 4 Feb1913. It even states that John's parents are Michael Lane and Brigid Barrett. So we definitely know we are dealing with the right person. As previously reported, in the entry for her marriage, her mother's name is given as Julie. But I think Johanna is correct. Likewise I think the address of Crag on the marriage record is wrong. (Crag is adjacent to Caher Hayes, so you can understand how the mistake would be made.) You can see the family on the census pages. In 1901 the Murphy's are house no. 1 and in 1911 they are house no. 3. (Same townland etc. as for her future husband John.)

Okay I hope all that is clear. By the way I came across two other Murphy-Brosnan baptisms: (i) Mary was born on 17 Nov 1883 and (ii) William on 10 Nov 1884. In the months ahead I'll be transcribing the Abbeyfeale births for the period 1880-1904 into Excel. I should come across the other Murphy-Brosnan children. When I do, I'll let you know.

All the best

Tom

Hi Tom

Thank you so very much for the latest info you found for me, I really appreciate the time you've taken to look for records on my behalf. It has certainly helped to grow my Irish heritage.

I have printed out the census for 1901 and 1911 and can see that in 1911 Michael & Bridget Lane had 6 children but only 5 living which would confirm the first 'John' had passed away. So Bridget obviously went on to have 2 more children after 1879. Hopefully they may show up when you transcribe the records you have for Abbeyfeale.

Would the baptisms you mentioned all have been in St. Mary's Church in Abbeyfeale or in the church in Mount Collins?

I am coming over to Ireland in July and hope to come down to Abbeyfeale - would you be able to recommend any research I could do in the parish e.g. church records for children of John and Catherine Lane, old pictures/photos in library or other ideas. Would I have to make appointments to see church records if they allow it? I would like to be prepared in advance as will be short on time.

Best regards

Cathy

Cathy,

Sorry for delay in getting back to you.

All the baptisms I mentioned were done in St. Mary's Church, Abbeyfeale.

If you go to Abbeyfeale, you should check out the church records. The priest there is Fr. John O'Shea. He will allow you look at the records but not those of births within the last 100 years. At least that was my experience. He says it's a data protection issue. It's probably best to contact the parish office a day or two before you visit.

What time in July are you coming to Ireland? If it's in late July (after say the 20th), I could meet you in Abbeyfeale - I'll be down home around then. I'll be only about four miles outside the town. I know a couple of people from the town with an interest in local history/genealogy. I could introduce you to them if you wish.

Let me know your plans.

Tom

Hi Tom,

I have been meaning to contact you for ages - had lots of problems trying to get back onto this site when they updated. Anyway we are travelling over to Dublin on Tuesday 21st July and coming down to Abbeyfeale area on Thursday 23rd July.

I shall try and contact the parish priest to see if he will let me view records.

Regards

Cathy

Cathy,

It seems this site no longer alerts users vis email to new messages on posts that they've contributed to. Or else I haven't updated my profile properly. Anyway I only noticed your latest reply the other day - and then didn't get a chance to reply back.

I presume you have been to Abbeyfeale. Did you get any further information?

I happened to be in Mountcollins graveyard a few days ago. I knew you had mentioned there being a Lane grave there that was relevant. So I had a look. But didn't spot it. Then again I was only there for a short while and only gave it a cursory look.

I still haven't completed my transcribing of the late 19th century Abbeyfeale births, But tonight I came across another of the baptisms of children of John Lane and Bridget Barrett:

Michael was baptised on 25 september 1881. The godparents were Denis and Bridget O'Connor.

Maybe you have that one yourself now.

Tom

Cathy,

Sorry I got the godparents wrong on previous post - I was reading the wrong entry. The correct godparents for Michael Lane were Aneas and Margaret Lane.

Tom

Hi Tom,

Thanks for getting back to me, as you say we don't seem to get the email alerts anymore so guess it's a case of keep checking the site!

Anyway I did get a very brief trip to Abbeyfeale just a day and overnight stay.  Although I tried phoning/emailed to Fr. O'Shea about looking at church records I had no response so no luck there.

I have discovered cousins living in the area and met up with some of them (all sons of the late departed Ita McAuliffe nee Lane, my aunt). My cousin  John Lane of Templeglantine kindly gave us a tour of places my mum grew up in which was very interesting but didn't really know much detail about all the other children of my grandparents.

I was also told that Father Casey helped secure the land where my grandparents lived - would there be records I could look up regarding that?

I did have a qui

ck visit to the GRO in Dublin and through their records believe Bridget was their eldest child (born 1913) then in 1914 a daughter called Johanna who died at 2 months old. I have found 12 definite children born to John and Catherine Lane between 1913 and 1934 but still have 'possibles' to sort out, hence looking at church records would have been ideal!!

Have been trying to continue research from here but with so many 'Lane' families who also have the same names it's quite hard and frustrating.

Tom, you mention a child of JOHN LANE and Bridget Barrett as Michael baptised on 25th Sept 1881 - did you mean he was the son of Michael Lane and Bridget Barrett? There are 2 more children to find for Michael & Bridget according to 1911 census - 6 children, 5 living. I would appreciate if you could check when you transcribe the records.

Thanks for all your help to date.

Regards

Cathy

Cathy,

I thought I had updated my preferences so that I would get email alerts to messages. But no luck.

Anyway. You're right, the parents for Michael Lane (born 25 Sep 1881) are of course Michael Lane and Bridget Barrett.

I have more information for you. Can you email me at tompius@eircom.net. And I will send you what I have.

Tom

Tom:

The new web site has had a program problem for over a month and no notifications are being generated.Laura Colleran expects the problems to be fixed shortly.

Roger McDonnell