Counsel

Hi Jen,

www.rootsireland.ie/ has the following baptism reccords of Counsel from Tallnstown R C parish

Anne 1841  Laurence 1843  Peter 1848  Loughlin 1851  & Mary 1855

There are 3 marriage records: Mary 1822 Catherine 1829 & Hanna 1859; no burial records

Can post the full records if any are relevant to your line.

Col

Hi Col,

Thanks for the reply. The baptisms are my folk, I am unsure about the marriages though.

My g/grandmother was Madeline Francesca COUNSEL 1883 - 1948.

Her parents were Richard COUNSEL 1849 - 1939 and Mary Frances SMITH

Richards parents were Peter COUNSEL 1806 - 1866 and Ann MALONE

Peters parents were Lawrence COUNSEL 1770 - 1834 and Mary TIERNEY.

I would love to see full records please.

Regards,

Jen.

Hi Jen,

Here are the rootsireland.ie/ records:

Name:Anne CounselDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:01-Dec-1841Address:
Parish/District:TALLANSTOWNGender:UnknownCountyCo. Louth
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Bartholemew CounselMother:Catherine EarlyOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Richard Curran Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Mary Ward

Name:Laurence CounselDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:25-Jan-1843Address:
Parish/District:TALLANSTOWNGender:UnknownCountyCo. Louth
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Barthw CounselMother:Cathe EarlyOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Patk Ward Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Jean Berne 

Name:Peter CounselDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:08-Mar-1848Address:
Parish/District:TALLANSTOWNGender:UnknownCountyCo. Louth
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Barthu CounselMother:Cathe EarlyOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Peter Ward Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Anne Rooney 

Name:Loughlin CounselDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:09-May-1851Address:
Parish/District:TALLANSTOWNGender:UnknownCountyCo. Louth
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Barthu CounselMother:Cathe EarlyOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Pat Ward 

Name:Mary CounselDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:31-Mar-1855Address:
Parish/District:TALLANSTOWNGender:UnknownCountyCo. Louth
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Barthu CounselMother:Cathe EarlyOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Thos Ward Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Anne Counsel 

No luck with any of the others you mentioned

There is only 1 Counsel in the Tithe Applotments & that is in Louth 1825 - no first name but address Stormanstown, Clonkeen. None in the early Irish Censuses & none of those you listed in Grifiths Valaution

Col

Hi Jennifer & Colin

I am the volunteer for Drogheda in south Louth and take an interest in unusual surnames, Col has done the heavy work but as Tallanstown and Clonkeen are close together north of Ardee I done a little rooting on the name, firstly I searched a site all about Louth and was disappointed to find only a grave inscription for a Parish Priest in Tallanstown, given the priest bit hardly a direct ancestor, see http://www.jbhall.freeservers.com/ chuck Counsel into the search box and one hit, others as you probably well know are for legal people.

As you menitoned flax growing I searched the Flax Growers list and found a Lawrence Council, change of vowel but close enough for me, see http://www.failteromhat.com/flax/louth.php this is a list done in 1796.

Also in Griffiths there are 3 Counsel hits in the area, not yours but relatives I imagine, see http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameS… There are two hits where Counsel is the landlord rather than the tenant and the separate icon open in different screens but you can locate where they lived from the plot number and then in the map icon find the plot and drag the bar to the left to get a modern map, it is a bit fiddly but you can see the area and the area has not developed a lot other than new roads and houses.

In the first site I gave you search Wild Goose Lodge murders which took place nearby in 1815 I think, There was a film of this name released late last year on Netflix I think, it was all filmed in the area if you are interested in that sort of thing.

Louth does not get many queries compared to other counties but a lot of them are for the area Ardee to Dundalk and around the time you mention.

Regards
Pat

Hi Colin and Pat,

I thank you both for the information shared. I will look at all of this over the next couple of days and see where it takes me.

I will have a look at the movie too....

Regards,

Jennifer.

Hi Jennifer. I have only just seen your post from last year.  I am a great, great, great, great grandson of Lawrence Counsel and Mary Tierney.  At present I am researching the family tree having moved back to Ireland four years ago.

Some of the information I have may be of interest. I hope you see this message.

Oliver. P. Reilly.

Hi Oliver,

Great to hear from you. I have my COUNSELs' in my BISHOP Ancestry tree. I have opened it to public, so you will be able to see it. If you cannot see it, I am happy to send you a gedcom file of the tree via email. My email address is: jennifer1254@yahoo.com  . My husband and I are planning to go to Ireland in the next couple of years. I have been 5 times, my husband 3. He has family history in Ireland in Co Wexford and Co Wicklow.

Kind Regards,

Jennifer GODKIN (Jen)

Hi Oliver and Jennifer

I have only just come across this site and your information, Lawrence Counsel was my great (x4) grandfather, I do have a keith Reilly and his son Brian on my tree , are they related to you ?

Lawrence Counsel and his brothers richard & Hugh are the furthest back relatives i have in that line,

any extra information i can get would be greatly apprieaciated

regards

Mike Airton

Hi Mike,

I don't have Keith or Brian Reilly in my tree. Would you give me some dates Lawrence, Richard and Hugh Counsel, as I have several Lawrences'.

Kind Regards,

Jennifer Godkin

Goulburn, NSW

Hi Jennifer

I have Lawrence Counsel born 1771 , with brothers

Richard Counsel (married betty duffy) no DOB but with children Andrew/Aly/Betty & Ally and

Hugh Counsel married Jenny Hand children Bartholomew/Charles/Betty/Patrick/John & James again no DOB

where do you fit into the counsel tree?

regards

Mike

Lawrence COUNSEL b 1770, Tallanstown, Co Louth, Ireland.

Married Mary TIERNEY b 1773.

Their children: Peter b 1806, Co Louth, Ireland M Anne MALONE.

                        Judith 1812 - 1897 M Jacobus GRIFFIN

                        Anne 1811 - 1885 M Patrick WALSH

                        Laurence 1810 - 1880 M Zillah JONES

                        Catherine 1808 - 1868 M Peter ROONEY

                        Richard 1800 - 1886 M Catherine DOYLE

                        Bartholomew 1800 - 1886 M Catherine EARLY

                        Mary 1796 -     M Thomas WARD

                        Loughlin 1792 - 1875 M Catherine ROGHAN

Child of Peter and Ann: Richard W COUNSEL  1849 - 1866 M Mary Frances SMITH

Child of Richard and Mary: Madeline Francesca COUNSEL 1883 - 1948 M Sydney Herbert BISHOP (My great grandparents)

Child of Madeline and Sydney: Ralph BISHOP 1910 - 1956 M Ida Ellen May RICHARDSON

Child of Ralph and Ida: Ralph BISHOP 1930 - 2009 M Linda BUSHBY

Child of Ralph and Linda: Jennifer May BISHOP 1954 -   Me

This is just a little bit of my tree. I have my tree on www.ancestry.com.au under the name: Bishop family tree. I have it set to public, so you will be able to see it if you wish.

Kind Regards,

Jennifer Godkin (nee BISHOP)

Goulburn, NSW