Lieut John Haire

Hi William

The only record I could find for John was the baptism of John O'HARE in Antrim 1785 on www.rootsireland.ie/ (a site which charges to view the full record which MAY have the parents' names)

Given illiteracy and transcription inaccuracies and perhaps the evolution of the name from O'Hare to Haire PERHAPS this is your man; could poor arithmetic account for the 10 year difference in age??

The parish of the record is SHANKILL ST ANNE"S BELFAST Church of Ireland

http://antrim.rootsireland.ie/quis.php?page=0&prevStartQuery=0

Col

You say he married in 1803 in Tinahiley. That?s in the parish of Kilcommon.  Their marriage records only start in 1817, so assume that?s the denomination the couple were married in, then unfortunately the relevant records no longer exist.

Death registration only started in 1864 but the Church of Ireland does keep burial records so you may find a burial record for the 1861 death (though it won?t provide much additional information).

Thanks Col

Our birth date for John of 1775 is pretty firm as it can be checked from different sources including a Military Record that I have found. Still it is wowrth following it up.

Thanks Bill

Ahoghill Antrim,

Thanks for the note. I have been reading up on Tinahely and Wicklow so I don't think we will ever find a record. Unfortunately her name has not shown anywhere as yet. I am now going to persue the five children that are new to me and maybe she might appear in a will somewhere.

Thanks also for the early response you gave me on Francis Haire of Drumcrin. I checked the landed estates but it seems the land had changed hands before Francis came along. His landowner was the Rev John Grey Porter. But the three lives refernces are fascinating with the detail.
Thanks William

Thanks Col and Elwyn. Let us know if you make any progress William

Best wishes
Clare Doyle
Genealogy Support

Thanks to everyone for the information re above who I am trying to connect to my husband's family tree.

I have searched St.Salvador's graveyard (on Castle Leslie Estate) but did not find a headstone.  I am now going to have a look in Donagh old graveyard, Glaslough which I am told has been closed for some years,

I am really interested in the information re Francis Haire who was Capt John's executor,  He was my husband's GGGgrandfather who was born 1810.  I have been unable to find his parents. I know his wife's name was Martha....... but very little else.  I do have some children of the marriage but would be really interested to know the three lives reference on lease from Rev.John Grey Porter.

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Thanks to everyone for the information re above who I am trying to connect to my husband's family tree.

I have searched St.Salvador's graveyard (on Castle Leslie Estate) but did not find a headstone.  I am now going to have a look in Donagh old graveyard, Glaslough which I am told has been closed for some years,

I am really interested in the information re Francis Haire who was Capt John's executor,  He was my husband's GGGgrandfather who was born 1810.  I have been unable to find his parents. I know his wife's name was Martha....... but very little else.  I do have some children of the marriage but would be really interested to know the three lives reference on lease from Rev.John Grey Porter.

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to Margaret 71 and other contributors. I offer the following which may help:

From: WO 25/761/223, Images 520/521 (nationalarchives.gov.uk) British Army Officers up to 1913.

John joined the Monaghan Militia in 1793, age 18. he seerved 10 years then joined the 3rd Garrison Battalion. Ensign 25 Nov 1806 then Lieutenant 18 Feb 1808 "by obtaining 40 men from the 1st Monaghan Reg't of Militia". Served 8 years 6 mths retired on half pay due Ill Health for 13 yrs 8 mths until the above return was completed in 1828 whwen he was 53 and "Willing to Serve". he was residing in Monaghan.

It is possible he served in Malta with the 3rd GB.

he married 25 Sept 1803 in Tinaheley, Co Wicklow to an unknown lady. Seven children;

Francis , b 4 Aug 1804 ( to AUS in 1849, my GG Grandfather)

John Johnston, b 11 june 1806, unknown

Ann JAne, b 2? March 1809 (marries Isaiah Charlton of Tully)

Catherine b 2 Sept 1814 unknown

Matilda b 1 june 1816 unknown

Lepoli ? Leopold? unknown ( Francis in Aus does use the name Leopold for 2 sons)

Carolina? b 2? may 1820 unknown

John dies 22 Feb 1861, age 86, at Glasslough, Co Monaghan.

The Calendar of Wills (proni.gov.uk) names Francis Haire ofDrumcrin, Co Fermanagh, as one of the executors.

Now this Francis is more likely to be a nephew rather than a brother given he was born 1810, died 1875, married Martha circa 1840 and had a son Francis who married Eleanor Moore (dec'd prior 1901). This Francis was dec'd prior 1911 (refer Census details 1901,1911)

Now from left field we have the following;

Francis Haire of Drumcrin is named as a co-executor in the Will of Martha Haire (nee Moore)who died 16 May 1890 (can be found proni.gov.uk/Calendar of Wills).

She first married a john Moore in 1878, Drumlina Par Killeevan?. They have a son Archibald James Moore b 1880. John dies (his will is available as well) and Martha remarries to Johnston Haire of Roosky, Co Monaghan in late 1887. they have a son Edward Johnston Haire b 1889 but dies 29 Nov 1918, Roosky, Co. Monaghan.

Both John Moore's and Martha's WIlls are full of references to cousins and etc and gets quite involved.

Questions;

How is Francis Haire of Drumcrin connected to Martha Moore/Haire and maybe Johnston Haire?

Were Martha and John Moore actually related somehow? Why does Martha have Haire cousins?

And does it all conect to our John Haire?

Happy digging

Bill O'Reilly

Thanks Bill!
Clare Doyle
Genealogy Support

Thanks Bill.
Information was very helpful.As you say "happy digging."

Hello Bill, Thanks for all the info. Now to fill you in on my research so far and hopefully it will be of some help to you.

Martha Haire (w/o Johnston Haire) - According to her will Ellen Haire (Eleanor) was her sister. Therefore Francis her executor was her brother-in-law. Beneficiaries were Edward Johnston Haire (son), her sister Ellen Haire who was entrusted to care for her son Edward,and her brothers Samuel and Archibald.

Ellen (Eleanor) Haire died 17/2/1900 also leaving a baby son (Archibald Watkins Haire b. 11/2/1900). He emigrated to Australia where he married Jemima Catherine Nichols b. 1924 at Kynton, Victoria. Aus.  He died 1977 in Victoria Australia

Martha Eleanor Haire (sister of Francis) b. 15 Jan 1891. also emigrated to Australia and married Robert George Moore b. 1893 in Co Monaghan d. 8/6/1956 at Hamilton , NSW. Martha Eleanor (known as Mattie ) died 1961 at Hamilton NSW.  So there we have three Moore/Haire marriages.

I think there is a possibility Capt John Haire was a son of James Haire b. 1737 d. 1833. He married Anne Henry of Dublin b. 1742 d. 1831. I have found the following children of the marriage but dont know if there are others.

Robert b. 1768 d. 3/3/1851. m. Elizabeth Babbington.   Hamillton b. 1770 d. 1844. m. (lst) Francis Newburgh (2nd) Anne Chittick.  Henry (Capt 66 regt) b. 1774 d. 1809, A daughter Mary Anne  m Joseph Rolleston K.C. (The above info was taken from Ancestry - Landed Gentry of Great Britain and Ireland.)  There is another son James mentioned in the Will of James b. 1737.

Questions:-  Was Francis Haire born 1810 also married to a Martha Moore? Who were his parents? Was Capt John a brother of Robert, Hamilton Henry and James?

Have found the grave of Lieut John Haire's wife at Drumsnatt C.of I.  His name is not on the headstone which is a flat stone and the wording nearly illegible. However it reads "At the East End of this stone lies the body of Catherine Haire wife of Lieut John Haire who departed this life 28 day of January 1822 aged 39." I did photograph the stone but lettering did not show.  I found this information through the Fermanagh-Gold website. The church records are in St Patrick's Church in Monaghan.  That is on my to do list.

Hi Margaret71

Thanks for that info. Been awhile since I looked at Haires and this site.

It all gets very involved with the Moore and Haire connections.

I thought about to connection to James Haire of Armagh Manor in Fermanagh. Could be a strong possibility. Dates are OK.

He would be the youngest son so probably would have to make his own way. The Monaghan Militia would be a good start for him.

Would be nice. That branch of the Haire's goes way back with even a Danish Royal Family connection, (a minor princess from memory).

I think they would have been plantationers from Scotland. I recall reading something about a Lord Haire of Scotland.

Also John's son Francis supposedly went to Trinity College Dublin, altho he doesn't show in the Alumni. He advertised himself as A.B., Trinity, in Adelaide when setting up his school.

He was also in Dublin when he married his second wife, Jane Jude, b4 emigrating.

Regards

Bill O'Reilly

Hi Bill,

Im just starting to put some information together regardng Haires, my GG Grandfather was Johnston Haire of Rooskey Monaghan as per one of the the family trees you have put together, Im trying to figure out who his parents where, we always assumed it was a Francis Haire of Fermanagh and there is certainly a link to a Francis Haire of Drumcrin Fermanagh, some close relatives of Johnston emigrated to Australia, thats all I know for now but will be in touch when I get a better grasp on it.

Robert Haire

Hello Robert.

I too am researching Haire family on behalf of my husband who is related to the Haire family of Fermanagh to which you refer. I have a Johnston Haire on

his family tree whose father was Francis Haire b. 1809/1810 d. 1875. Mother Martha Haire (née Johnston) b. 1818 d. 1859. This Francis Haire is my husband,s        

GG grandfather. Their graves can be found at Church of Ireland cemetery, Lisnaskea. I also have the following siblings of Johnston - Anne Jane b 1840, Elizabeth b. 1843, William b 1845, Francis b. 1847 d. 1906,  Margaret Jane b. 1851 d. 1828, Thomas Edward b. 1854 d. 1927, Martha b. 1856 d. 1937 and John b. 1859 .

Hope this info will help get you started.

Margaret 71

Margaret,

Can you confirm the Johnston Haire birth date ? I have him as b1852 d 1930, so I agree looks like he was a brother of Francis from Drumcrin, the drumcrin connection Monaghan Rooskey is pretty solid also,we had always assumed Johnston came to Monaghan from Drumcrin but I recently came accross a document linking Francis Haire of Drumcrin and a James Haire of Rooskey Monaghan, also Johnston would be my Great Grandfather, we still live next to the church at Drumsnatt in Monaghan, so Frances had a son who went to Australia , Archibald Watkins ? 

Margaret,

Is there a family tree you can share via this website ? my email is robertthaire@gmail.com if you want to drop me an email 

Margaret,

Actually I think my Great grandfather Johnston is more than likely the John you have referenced b. 1859, that seems to tie back to his death cert, not sure where I got 1852, thanks

Johnston's date of birth 1850 (I worked this out from census.) d.1930. I don't think your Great grandfather was John because I can find no further information on him. Was your grandfather William Robert b. 1907? Johnston's first wife was Martha Moore who was a sister of Eleanor Moore who was married to Johnston's brother Francis.

Johnston's brother Thomas Edward emigrated to Australia (NSW) and it is believed Archibald Watkin (known as Watkin) stayed with him when he emigrated, Watkin was my husband's Grand Uncle.  We live in Co Fermanagh near Lisnaskea.  We have been to Drumsnatt graveyard and taken photos of Lieut John Haire's grave although only his wife's name appears on the stone. When we were there we asked some men cutting the grass about any Haire family's in the area but they did not know of any but said a Mrs Haire had been there earlier.

We live in Co Fermanagh close to Lisnaskea not far from Drumcrin you mentioned.  I think you and my husband could be 3/4 cousins. I would be interested in the document  Francis Haire and James Haire Rooskey.  There are so many James Haire in the family it is very confusing.

Margaret71

Johnston's date of birth 1850 (I worked this out from census.) d.1930. I don't think your Great grandfather was John because I can find no further information on him. Was your grandfather William Robert b. 1907? Johnston's first wife was Martha Moore who was a sister of Eleanor Moore who was married to Johnston's brother Francis.

Johnston's brother Thomas Edward emigrated to Australia (NSW) and it is believed Archibald Watkin (known as Watkin) stayed with him when he emigrated, Watkin was my husband's Grand Uncle.  We live in Co Fermanagh near Lisnaskea.  We have been to Drumsnatt graveyard and taken photos of Lieut John Haire's grave although only his wife's name appears on the stone. When we were there we asked some men cutting the grass about any Haire family's in the area but they did not know of any but said a Mrs Haire had been there earlier.

We live in Co Fermanagh close to Lisnaskea not far from Drumcrin you mentioned.  I think you and my husband could be 3/4 cousins. I would be interested in the document  Francis Haire and James Haire Rooskey.  There are so many James Haire in the family it is very confusing.

Margaret71

Margaret,

Sorry my mistake I agree with Johnston b1950, this was my great grandfather , this agrees with census records , I had a conflicting age on his death cert saying he was 70 at death but I thought this was incorrect as didn’t tie back to census , he is buried at Drumsnatt where Capt Johns wife rests .We live in Mullancross house which  is the old rectory to Drumsnatt church. I’m pretty sure we have letters that where sent from Watkins in Australia. We always knew he came from Fermanagh and his father was called Francis but I recently found a court summons in which  a James Haire of Rooskey  ( just up the road from Drumsnatt where we still have a farm ) summons Francis Senior and Junior of Drumcrin to court over something, it didn’t materials but  That’s how I figured my great grandfather came from Drumcrin.

I have been in touch with a Kathryn Haire from Australia through my heritage and she mentioned she had a sister in law Sally living in Fermanagh , is this a relative of you ? 

Would be great to meet up and discuss, welcome to call anytime to our house, my parents Richard and Elizabeth Haire live there.

Yes, Kathryn Haire is my sister-in-law. I am Sally - Margaret 71 was just a name I used when using the website so that is the name Ireland Reaching Out know me by. That is amazing that your Great Grandfather is buried in the grave that I took photos of maybe 2 years ago now.  What relation was Capt John Haire to your Great Grandfather? Francis Haire Snr was an executor of Capt John's Will so I have always thought they must have been closely related. This is getting really interesting. I have been doing this tree for 7/8 years.                                                                   

My husband and I regularly go to Monaghan town and  Castle Leslie. Thank you for your kind invitation to call at your home. Yes, it would be great to meet up and  maybe knock down some brick walls! You said your father's name is Richard - that is a new name in the Haire family,  You can contact me direct via e-mail        

sm_haire@hotmail.com