Matthew Ryan and Mary Mullaley

Hi Kate

I do not know if you have this information from the marriage cert already but Matthew lived at the address Toornevara at the time of his marriage in 1891 and Mary lived at the address Kyle. Matthews father was Matthew Ryan and Mary's father indeed John Mullally a farmer. Matthews father was a labourer

Daughter Bridget baptised 6 July 1892 Toomevara Tipperary, died in childhood

Daughter Catherine ,,     ,, 12 February 1894 Toomevara

Daughter Mary ,,           ,, 28 February 1902 Toomevara

Daughter Bridget ,,       ,, 13 April 1904 Toomevara

All these records can be found on the subscription website www.rootsireland.ie

Do you know who Mary's mother was? I thought I knew but things have changed since this new certificate has come to light.

I've been searching most of today.

Kate

I do remember that  I had an Aunty Mary and an Aunty Minnie, possibly an Aunty Dorrie.  This I know My nan was sent out to New Zealand from the Dublin workhouse in 1910. I know she worked hard to pay for her two sisters to go to New Zealand. I have Kathleen on the ship and the date she arrived in New Zealand. She was 14/15 when she went to New Zealand.

Hi Kate

There is a  record for a Mary Mullally born on the 2e January 1869 and who was baptised in Toomevara, this is your Mary ,fathers name John mother Catherine Brennan

She had a sister Bridget baptised 14 April 1861 in Cloughjordan, parents address Kyle also a sister Sarah baptised  21 Feb 1864 Cloughjordan parents address at the time Kyle, brother Denis baptised 21 May 1865 in Cloughjordan, parents address at this time Kilenaskra, brother John born 15 July 1870 Toomevara

John Mullally married Catherine Brennan in Cloughjordan on the 11th November 1852

That is all I can find

Anne Marie

Thank you Anne Marie. I'm so grateful.

Kate

What I dont get, is that on my grandmother's birth certificate. it says: Kathleen Mary Ryan born Toomevara, 1895.

Kate

Hi KateR
you say........................
What I dont get, is that on my grandmother's birth certificate. it says: Kathleen Mary Ryan born Toomevara, 1895.
Whoever did this got it wrong.
That record is for a Kathleen Mary Mullin and her Mother was Mary Ryan.
Now this really bugs me,  I just search to help and I have contradicted paid reaserchers in the past.
I have gone through all the births I cannot find a Mary born 1902 to Mathew and Mary nee Mulally.
Also, the census for the family were not online. I know there are some missing.
Kyle in Cloughjordan, I know where that is.
I have put in the Civil records for John, Mary's brother, but the place Killinskera no idea where that is.
I call to relatives in Toomevara, next time I will look out for the place on the satnav.

Catherine 1894

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02271/1853258.pdf

Bridget 1892
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1892/02335/1873759.pdf

Bridget’s death (Sorry) 1898
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05829/4650747.pdf

Mary 1902  I cannot find a record for her.
 

Bridget 1904
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01826/1713983.pdf

Their marriage 1891, registration district Borrisokane.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1891/10661/5884552.pdf

John Mulally, number 20, this is Mary’s brother, died in Kyle, John Mulally the father was present at the death.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05727/4616164.pdf

John Mulally’s birth 1870 Mother is Catherine Brennan.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03334/2222128.pdf

Matthew Ryan died in 1906
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1906/05569/4564035.pdf

I will look to see what happened after this date.
Ok,
Margot

Dear KateR:

I have read through this thread and I believe that Anne Marie did give you the correct information in the replies above.

The Roots Ireland database is a subscription service of transcribed records.  They only go to 1900 so that many church baptisms would not be available after that time period.  

However, I did find the church baptism record for Mary Ryan baptised on 28 January 1902 in Toomevara.  Her parents were:  Matthew Ryan and Mary Mulally.  Sponsors were:  Denis Mulally and Mary Treacy and D. O'Meara was the officiating priest. 

There doesn't appear to be a civil birth registration for this child in 1901 or 1902.  This did occur where a parent did not register a child within the 3 weeks and late registration incurred a fine.  

We have a few local Tipperary volunteers who are quite familiar with Toomevara.  I will ask them to reply directly to you.  I have attached the baptism record for your reference. 

Please let me know if you need any further assistance.  

All the best,

Jane

Hi KateR:

Would you please contact me directly?  I have some more information for you.

Many thanks.

All the best,

Jane

Hi Jane,

I was hoping you could support my research as well. Mary and Mathew Ryan are my great grandparents. Kate and I have connected but would love to hear what more information you have. I am not sure how to contact you directly?

Look forward o hearing from you.

Kind regards 

Carolyn O'Connor

Hi Carolyn:

You can contact me directly at:  jhalloranryan@irelandxo.com

All the best,

Jane

Hi Kate and Carolyn:

I have received Kate's email and I have replied to her directly.

Have a safe and Happy Holiday.

All the best,

Jane

Hi Kate and Carolyn

There was a query as to where Kilineskra is. The full name for the townland of Kyle -in the parish of Cloughjordan is Kylenaheskeragh. The spelling of the long version of the address often caused difficulties for people and Kilineskra is an incorrect spelling of Kylenaheskeragh.The shortened version (Kyle) is the version that is now used.

Paddy