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I have a baptismal record from 1839 in the diocese of Killaloe, Terryglass in the Parish of Kilbarron. Would you happen to know if the church is still there or where it would have been? Thank you. There is no church name listed in the record.

Saturday 25th Jan 2020, 01:38AM

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  • Hello and welcome
    I reckon without the name of your ancestor I can't be 100% definite.
    And if it's the Catholic church? Or Church of Ireland?
    If Carholic as Kilbarron is mentioned I reckon it maybe Kilbarron Church.

    The register was held in Terryglass and still is so on nearly all our records Terryglass appears. As Kilbarron is mentioned I am guessing it maybe Kilbarron. If so the church built in 1814 is still in use. If Terryglass the church in 1839 is now the community hall, the present church replaced it in late1890s.

    If church of Ireland, churches are all still there but not in use.

    If you wish to give the name of your ancestor you can post it here or email us at kilbarronterryglass1@irelandxo.com

    I know this is vague but hope it is of some help
    Helen @ Kilbarron Terryglass Finnoe

    Kilbarron Terryglass1

    Saturday 25th Jan 2020, 08:38AM
  • Hello,

    To complement the information that Helen kindly supplied, there were two churches across the road from one another in Terryglass during the 1839 time period. One was St. Columba’s Church of Ireland, the other was the Catholic Church, though I do not know if the Catholic Church at that time had a name, or was just called the Kilbarron and Terryglass Catholic Church.

    THE CHURCH OF IRELAND IN TERRYGLASS

    According to the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage/Buildings of Ireland website, the Church of Ireland in Terryglass was called St. Columba’s, which was constructed in 1808, but which is now a private residence. You can read about the architectural details of the church at the Buildings of Ireland website link at: https://is.gd/uQ9v6S

    I do not believe your ancestor was baptized in St. Columba’s Church of Ireland in Terryglass in 1839. I suspect the ancestor was Roman Catholic. The Anglican.org website link shows that the Kilbarron Church of Ireland baptisms are extent from 1878 to 1953, while marriage records are available from 1851 to 1950. Go to for confirmation: https://is.gd/6ZqCd5

    Once at the Anglican.org page, scroll down until you come to Kilbarron, Tipperary, highlighted in yellow. Churches on the page are listed alphabetically. The original Kilbarron Church of Ireland records are held by the Representative Church Body Library, in Braemor Park, Churchtown, Dublin.

    THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN TERRYGLASS

    The Buildings of Ireland website does not mention the former Catholic Church across the road from St. Columba’s Church of Ireland, but you can see the location of both houses of worship on an Ordnance Survey Map from the 1837 to 1842 time period, which is the time period your ancestor was baptized in Terryglass. To view the map from the GeoHive website, go to: http://bit.ly/2U2dw9Q

    St. Columba’s Church on the Ordnance Survey Map is on the left side of the road and is simply labeled as, “Church,” below which is the location for the “Abbey,” and “The Cobbler’s Box.”

    On the right side of the road on the map you’ll see the location of the “R.C. Chapel.” This R.C. Chapel is the church where your ancestor was likely baptized.

    You can see the location of the former St. Columba’s Church of Ireland and the Catholic Church across the road on a contemporary map of Terryglass from the Buildings of Ireland website link at: http://webgis.buildingsofireland.ie/HistoricEnvironment/?REG_NO=22301007

    The following Google Street View shows the locations of the two former houses of worship across the street from one another in Terryglass: https://is.gd/tYt8dB

    Another Ordnance Survey Map of Terryglass from the 1888 to 1913 time period shows the location of St. Columba’s Church. But, the former R.C. Chapel by the time this map was compiled, has been converted into a school. See the map at: http://bit.ly/2NV52xp

    A more expansive view of Terryglass in the 1888 to 1913 Ordnance Survey Map shows that the Catholic Church is located northeast of its former location and is called, “St. Mary’s R.C. Church.” See:
    http://bit.ly/2NZHY0N

    Your ancestor would not have been baptized in present day St. Mary’s. According to the Buildings of Ireland website, St. Mary’s was constructed in 1866 and was designed by Daniel O’Connell, who was an architect and the son of the “Liberator,” Daniel O’Connell. Go to the following Buildings of Ireland link for more information: https://is.gd/2hNqeh

    For a Buildings of Ireland map showing the location of St. Mary’s Catholic Church, go to: http://webgis.buildingsofireland.ie/HistoricEnvironment/?REG_NO=22301003

    The next link will take you to a Google Street View of St. Mary’s Church in Terryglass: https://is.gd/pGl1fQ

    Kind Regards,

    Dave Boylan

    davepat

    Saturday 25th Jan 2020, 02:22PM
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    Thank you so very much! The name is Hobbins. Patrick Hobbins son of Dennis Hobbins and Catherine Quinlisk. The information is from the Ireland Catholic Parish Registers. It says the baptism was in Terryglass, the parish varients are Kilbarron and Terryglass, and the diocese is Killaloe.  I think I put the cart before the horse by visiting Ireland before I did the research. I did see the community center in Terryglass, but did not go to Kilbarron, so I did not see that church. We were all completely taken with all of Ireland. Thank you so much for replying!   Vicki 

     

     

     

    Saturday 25th Jan 2020, 07:07PM
  • To Dave Boylan: Looking at the map then, it seems that the cemetary and the building that looks like a monastery or castle (next to the school) I saw in Terryglass was Church of Ireland and not Catholic? I guess I assumed it was catholic. And that the current community center (located across the street from Paddy's pub) was the Catholic church in the mid-1800's? The likely place of his baptism? We were just there in December--I am a little late on the research side of things! Thank you both so much!  Vicki

    Saturday 25th Jan 2020, 07:18PM
  • Dear Vicki
    Had a quick look at the baptismal record and Patrick's address is Lisquillabeen and therefore he would have been baptised in Kilbarron Church., or the Church of St Barron. In village of Newchapel.(but known today as Kilbarron)

    Not to be confused with the Old Abbey in the townland of Kilbarron
    ( have a look at the Historical Society's website
    http://kilbarronterryglass1815.com) and also catholic church website

    http://www.terryglasskilbarron.com
    This will give you views of the church and a map showing locations.

    Over the past few years we have done research for a number of Hobbin families frm the Kilbarron end of the parish. I will look at the research later and if you would like to email me I will send you on what we have.

    A quick look says that Denis and Catherine were married in 1838, again it would have been in Kilbarron Church.
    And Denis died in 1865 and was living in Glenbower. Glenbower is one of the most beautiful spots in the parish, over looks the Old Abbey and Lough Derg. .
    So if you wish email on
    kilbarronterryglass1@irelandxo.com
    we will be able to send you on the info we have.
    Hopefully you will return and we could meet you and show you where these places are.
    Re Lisquillabeen, check out
    www.facebook.com>tullauncastle

    Tullaun also know as The Black Castle towers over the townland of Lisquillabeen and recently renovated and is now lived in.
    Helen

    Kilbarron Terryglass1

    Sunday 26th Jan 2020, 08:50AM
  • This is wonderful! Yes, I will send you an email for more info! I certainly hope to return before too long. Thank you so mcu for your kindness!

    Sunday 26th Jan 2020, 10:04PM

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