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Looking for information on my GG Grandfather James Hamilton died 1869 Newtonstewart.

Thank you.

Judy

OCjude

Wednesday 4th Dec 2013, 10:24AM

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  • Hi Judy

    www.rootsireland.ie/ has the death record of James Hamilton in Tyrone in 1869

    He was aged 79 so born either 1790 or 1789

    There is only 1 James Hamiltopn birth record for these years which was 1789 in Donegal

    It costs to view the full record on rootsireland but it MAY have more information such as a parent's name.

    Interestingly in the Tithe Applotments 1823-37 (free) there are 25 Hamiltons in Tyrone but the county is called Tyrone Donegal so the above birth could well be your man after all.

    Col 

    ColCaff, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Wednesday 4th Dec 2013, 11:03AM
  • Judy,

    I?d be inclined to get the 1869 death certificate to find James? townland. That way you may be able to locate the family home in Griffiths Valuation, and see who it passed to after his death. You will also need the townland name if searching church records for baptism and marriages. (You are unlikely to get his baptism as few churches in that specific area (parish of Ardstraw) have records that go back that far but you may find later events ie marriage and baptism of his children).

    If he was a farmer or at least had some land, you may also be able to trace him in the tithe applotment records (1820s & 1830s). Those for the Newtownstewart area are not on-line, and are held on microfilm in PRONI (the public record office) in Belfast.

    I can see 14 James Hamiltons listed in Griffiths for Ardstraw in 1859. If you let me know what the townland is on the death certificate, I?ll see if I can find where yours lived. And I'll check the revaluation records to see who acquired it after his death.

     

     

    Elwyn

    Ahoghill Antrim

    Wednesday 4th Dec 2013, 11:29AM
  • Hi Judy & Elwyn

    The parish of the death certificate was Newtownstewart

    Col

    ColCaff, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Wednesday 4th Dec 2013, 08:23PM
  • Col,

    Thanks for that. Newtownstewart isn?t a parish though. It?s just a town in the parish of Ardstraw. Unfortunately the name James Hamilton is very common in that parish and that?s why I need the specific townland (address) from the death cert to narrow the search further.

    Elwyn

    Ahoghill Antrim

    Wednesday 4th Dec 2013, 09:46PM
  • No luck I'm afraid Elwyn!

    The death record on roots simply has:

    James Hamilton                Death date: 30 Sept 1869

    Age 79             Parish   Newtownstewart   County Tyrone

    Address Newtownstewart

    Occupation Surgeon R N 

    Status Widower

    Sex Male

    Informant Andy Bain Newtownstewart  Relationship not known

    Col

    ColCaff, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Wednesday 4th Dec 2013, 10:11PM
  • I didn't realize that they were not online. How would I find out if there are records at PRONI for Newtownstewart?

    My great grandmother was Elizabeth Jane O'Connor from Newtownstewart.

    drmorris

    Wednesday 4th Dec 2013, 10:38PM
  • OK. Newtownstewart turns out to be a townland in its own right as well as a town.  I went through the revaluation records for both. A James Hamilton is listed as having 13 acres of land (plot 15) in Newtownstewart. It changed to the Rev Charles Hamilton in 1871. That could coincide with James?s death as the Griffiths clerks were often a year or tow out in their dates.

    I also saw that plot 51 in Mill St (a house and garden) was rented by Mrs Hamilton, landlord Andrew Hamilton. That might be the Andy who was the informant for the death. I didn?t see any other references to James or Andrew Hamilton.

    VAL/12/B/42/27B (1864 - 1879)

    http://applications.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_Val12b/ImageResult.aspx

    This seems to be the abstract (summary) for James Hamilton, who evidently died intestate (source is PRONI wills website):

    Full Abstract :

    Letters of Administration of the personal estate of James Hamilton late of Newtownstewart County Tyrone M.D. a Widower deceased who died 30 September 1869 at same place were granted at Londonderry to Joseph Farbridge Holliday of  57 King-street, Manchester, County Lancaster, Merchant the Attorney of James Babington Hamilton Son of said deceased.             Effects under ?200.

    So that seems to indicate that James had a son James Babington Hamilton, who probably lived in England by 1869.

    The probate record confirms James was a doctor. The information that Col has provided indicates he was surgeon in the Royal Navy. In that case there are probably some service records to be found in the National Archives in Kew (London), or possibly on Ancestry or findmypast.

    Ahoghill Antrim

    Wednesday 4th Dec 2013, 11:12PM
  • In the book Newtownstewart Remembered by Billy Dunbar, a Hamilton, James, surgeon, R.N. is referenced in the section Slater, 1846, Newtownstewart. There is another reference to a James Hamilton, 2nd Marquess of Abercorn, who was born on 21 Jan 1811 and who married Lady Louisa Jane Russell on 25 Oct 1832.

    There is a subsequent book by the same author but I don't have it.

    drmorris

    Thursday 5th Dec 2013, 12:15AM
  • There is a record for an A. Hamilton, who is a druggist, listed in the trades directory for 1885.

    drmorris

    Thursday 5th Dec 2013, 05:04AM
  • Hello Elwy & Col,

    Thank you both for taking the time to follow up on James Hamilton, my GG grandfather. He did indeed have a son James Babington Hamilton, my G grandfather, who came to Australia. It is great to think that I may be able to get James' death certificate.

     

    Thank you again. I have been to Ireland once in 2006, but hope to return next year or the year after and spend some more time there.

     

    All the best,

    Judy

    OCjude

    Friday 6th Dec 2013, 12:57AM
  • I suspect this might be your James Hamilton, or a descendant of him anyway.

     

    http://www.geograph.ie/photo/1488431

     

    I am interested in the Colqhoun/Colhoun family but I am thinking mine area also from this Estate. 

    suemccall

    Thursday 2nd Jan 2014, 03:24PM
  • Our McElrea family is connected to the Hamiltons by marriage and I found the book mentioned in the following statement (The Maymore Hamiltons and Related Families) of use. It is available online in pdf format. There are several surgeons mentioned - it must have been a family occupation! Our McElrea/Hamilton family lived in Lisnatunny Glebe. If you find a connection, please let me know!

    Kathleen
    McElrea One-Name Study
    mcelrea.org

     

    "THIS IS A PREPUBLICATION COPY OF A BOOK THAT WAS SENT TO ME 

    BY THE AUTHOR PRIOR TO HIS DEATH. THE BOOK WAS PUBLISHED IN 
    LIMITED EDITION BY THE HEIRS OF THE AUTHOR IN THE YEAR 2000.
    COPIES HAVE BEEN SENT TO THE MORMON LIBRARY IN SALT LAKE
    CITY, UTAH AND TO THE US LIBRARY OF CONGRESS. THE BOOK
    UNFORTUNATELY HAS AN INDEX WHERE THE PAGE NUMBERS ARE NOT
    PROPERLY TIED TO THE TEXT. THIS DIGITAL VERSION OF THE BOOK
    HAS NOT BEEN CHECKED AGAINST THE CONTENTS OF THE FINAL
    VERSION OF THE BOOK, BUT ITS CONTENTS ARE PROBABLY NEARLY
    IDENTICAL. THE ADVANTAGE OF THIS PREPUBLICATION COPY IS THAT
    IT CAN BE SEARCHED DIGITALLY.

    If you use material from this book, please use the following reference:
    Hamilton, John Leslie, The Maymore Hamiltons and Related Families, privately
    published by his heirs, 2000.

    DR. WILLIAM E. HOWARD III
    1653 QUAIL HOLLOW COURT
    MCLEAN, VA 22101-3234 USA
    EMAIL: wehoward@post-harvard.edu.

    KathleenI

    Saturday 4th Jan 2014, 01:57AM
  • Are you able to post the link to this book.  I couldn't find it on the internet.

    suemccall

    Saturday 4th Jan 2014, 03:27AM
  • I couldn't find it either, but was too lazy to conduct a thorough search. ;-) I have a pdf copy on my computer. If you want to send me your email address privately, I will send you a link so you can download it. It is 1.6mb, so too large to attach here.

    Here is another one I found

    https://archive.org/details/hamiltonmemoirsb00hami

    Hope this helps,
    Kathleen

    KathleenI

    Saturday 4th Jan 2014, 04:17AM
  • I don't know if this would be of any interest to you but this is a link to a book of landowners owning at least one acre in 1876. There is an entry for a John Hamilton in Newtownstewart.

    http://eppi.dippam.ac.uk/documents/16252/eppi_pages/194712

    drmorris

    Saturday 4th Jan 2014, 04:32AM
  • Excellent link, drmorris! Thank you.

    KathleenI

    Wednesday 26th Mar 2014, 01:53AM
  • Hello,

    I looked up James Hamilton in the "Directory of Ulster Doctors" and it has:

    "James Hamilton (1789/90-1869) ... married 1 August 1839 at Inver Church of Ireland Church, County Donegal, Patricia Babington, youngest daughter of Murray Babington of Bonny Glen; died 30 September 1869 at Newtownstewart..."

    A book well worth getting if you have a lot of doctors in your family.

    Ganstry

    Thursday 24th Apr 2014, 09:37AM
  • Thank you Gantry and also others who have followed up my James Hamilton link. I am hoping to visit Newtonstewart later this year and see where he lived. I'm hoping to do more research before I travel there. Thank you again! Judy

    OCjude

    Saturday 10th May 2014, 11:12AM
  • Hello Jude

    its an old post, but just read it.

    I also have a GG Grandfather James Hamilton from Newtownstewart. Born 1839 and moved to Australia.

    His parents were John and Rebecca. All I know is that John died in 1881 in Australia.

    they might be related to yours. I will now read all the Thread!

    Alannah

    user_157772

    Saturday 4th Apr 2020, 11:39AM

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