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Hello, the family I am interested in lived at Griffith Ppty 19 at Altaglushan but sometimes the use Cappagh.  They are right next to each other but I think the current townland map shows Ppty 19 as actually being part of Cappagh. The Griffith map has the property in Altaglushan. Does anyone know when Ppty 19 might have been added to Cappagh?

Peter

Monday 23rd Nov 2020, 01:51AM

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  • I tried to follow what became of plot 19 in Altaglushan using the Valuation Revision records on the PRONI site. Unfortunately the townland seems to be missing for many years. I am not sure what happened to the records. It is listed for 1914 to 1929 at which time the tenant of plot 19 appears to have been Francis McGee, 27 acres – house, land & mountain. Presumably this man in the 1911 census:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Clonavaddy/Altaglushan/864530/

    Francis in 1901:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Clonavaddy/Altaglushan/1735468/

    So the McGee/Magee family occupied the property from at least 1901. Don’t know if that ties in with your research. 

    I agree that the Placenames NI site appears to put plot 19 in Cappagh today.  I wonder if that might be an error though? The purple boundary is the parish boundary. If you ignore it, there’s no division shown between Altaglushan and Cappagh townlands which must be wrong.  There should be a dotted red line showing the division.

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Monday 23rd Nov 2020, 11:57AM
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    Thanks, Elwyn.  Here is my analysis. I have added a couple of files as well.

     

    Robert & Elizabeth McKittrick Family: Altaglushan or Cappagh (Townlands)?

     

    Issue: Griffith Ppty 19 Altaglushan (Parish Donaghmore) A21R3P22, appears to have become added to Cappagh Townland (Parish Pomeroy) at some stage, hence this McKittrick family sometimes shows as being in Cappagh eg Census 1901. Date of Transfer unclear. Altaglushan Revision Books on nidirect followed for Griffith revision information

    Lease d. 7 December 1858 (later disclosure):

    House & land. Lessees Esther Woods and John Woods. Lessor E.T. Litton

    Griffith 1860

    Esther Woods Occupier. Lessor: E T Litton.

    Griffith Revision 1860-1863

    House & land. Esther Woods Occupier. Lessor: E T Litton. (second initial of Lessor deleted during period.)

    Auction of Altmore Estate. To be offered by Litton Estate 2 July 1872:

    Disclosure of Lease dated 7 December, 1858 to Reps of Esther Woods and John Woods over this land Sold as “Lot X“ (#45). Place aka Altaglasson.  Area stated from the Ordnance Survey as A21R3P22.  Yearly rent GBP4. “Land comprises a large extent of (valuable) bog.

    Sale Report Northern Whig 3 July 1872:

    Purchaser: Mr Sheilds, Rathmore, Dungannon. Probably in trust for Robert King.

    Griffith Revision 1864-1876:

    House & Land. Esther Woods exits in 1872 and John McK substituted. In 1873 Robert McK substituted. (Looks like a temporary hold by John for his brother said to have been away working in Glasgow docks. In 1872, Robert King noted as Lessor following ultimate purchase of this property.

    Birth of daughter Isabella McKittrick 1873:

    Isabella b. 10 June 1873 at Cappagh. Father Robert’s occupation “Farm Labourer” so presumably he was working for someone within Cappagh, prior to taking up the Altaglushan property later that year, as a farmer in his own right. https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03189/2169267.pdf

    Griffith Revision 1877-1881:

    House & Land. Lessee Robert McKittrick. Lessor Robert King.

    Birth of Elizabeth’s nephew Samuel in 1877:

    Elizabeth witnesses Samuel’s birth at Altmore to her sister and signs as a resident of Altaglushan. https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03015/2104690.pdf

    Griffith Revision 1882-1896:

    House & Land. Lessee Robert McKittrick. Lessor becomes “Reps of” Robert King in 1891.

    1901 Census of Ireland:

    Robert and Elizabeth living at Cappagh with two daughters. Seems to be a farm property with 2 outhouses/farmsteadings. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Altmore/Cappagh/1734886/

    Griffith Revision 1897-1911:

    House & Land. Elizabeth takes over as Lessee in 1906 after Robert died 16 Jan 1905. Elizabeth departs books in 1910. She died in 1912 at Altmore.  Then all crossed out with a "See Page 2" but cannot follow.

    Griffith Revision 1912-1929:

    Property no longer of interest. Fras. McGee takes over. Property seems to have increased to 27A to include “mountain” assumed to be up the side of Cappagh Mountain.

    Griffith Revision 1914-1929:

    Property no longer of interest. Fras. McGee Lessee.

    Peter

    Tuesday 24th Nov 2020, 06:16AM
  • I found the Altaglushan revision records this time. They are slightly odd. In the book covering 1897-1911 plot 19 has that annotation see page 2. If you go to page 2 the McGee family are on 8b (27 acres) which is then renumbered as 19. I don’t really follow that at all. 

    I am not convinced that plot 19 was moved to Cappagh.  I can’t see any purpose in that and it’s not something I have ever come across before. It would also involve switching parishes which would have required all sorts of approval.  I think the McKittricks must have moved from Altaglushan to a different property in Cappagh sometime between 1893 and the 1901 census. 

    The dates and tenants in the Revision books are a bit unreliable at times as you may have discovered. The clerks revisited every 2 years or so but even so you often find someone listed who died years before, or moved away years before. Sometimes properties were sub-let for long periods with no recognition of that in the books. Plus very low value labourers cottages never made it into the books at all. They are not always a complete picture of who lived where. In this particular case, you can see that in 1901 the McKittricks are listed in Altaglushan in Griffiths but in Cappagh in the census. One of those is wrong surely. In my opinion the Griffiths records had not been updated accurately, but I could be wrong. And the family didn’t live in Cappagh long enough to make into the Cappagh revision records. I am not sure I can add any more light or any certainty.

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Tuesday 24th Nov 2020, 11:00AM
  • Thanks, Elwyn.  I am grateful to you for having a look at the situation.

    Peter

    Wednesday 25th Nov 2020, 07:07AM
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    Regarding map changes for Cappagh, I have come across the attached possibly relevant article from the Northern Whig Dated August 13, 1907, from a column headed "District Councils" and specifically under "Dungannon". If anyone knew how to check what these map changes may have been, I would be grateful. Will look to post on Logain as well.

    Peter

    Monday 11th Jan 2021, 01:03AM
  • Hello, Elwyn & all. I have finally found that the relevant property did in fact transfer or was redistributed from Altaglushan to Cappagh. Refer to Rate Revision Books which show Altaglushan Property No 19 A21R3P30 (Electoral District Clonavaddy) being deleted in red ink and a new Property, No. 2 of identical proportions (Electoral District Altmore) being added to Cappagh in 1911. However, the date is not certain as Robert McKittrick responded to the 1901 Census based on residence in Cappagh. I will endeavour to provide the Rate Revision Book references in due course.

    Peter

    Thursday 22nd Dec 2022, 09:25AM
  • Rate Revision Books Altaglushan VAL/12/B38/11E 1897-1911 Elizabeth McKittrick 1906, 1907. In 1911 Property 19 situation catches up and is deleted from Altaglshan. Not to be confused with property i.n.o. McGee 27 Acres renumbered 19. Rate Revision Books VAL/12/B/38/2E 1897-1914 in 1911Cappagh Property 2 shows i.n.o Wm Kerr from ED Clonavaddy (to ED Altmore).

    Peter

    Sunday 25th Dec 2022, 10:06AM

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