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Treanor Search

I have started my tree research this year and made a lot of progress in a short time. My Grandfather was John Treanor, born 1870 in Fivemiletown or Sixmilecross. His parents were John Treanor born about 1813, died 1898 and Mary Corrigan (no details). He had a number of siblings born between 1864 and 1881 in and around the area. John Treanor Snr was a Smith so would have done a lot of travelling. I have found some basic records for the family, mainly births, a little more for one sibling Joseph and quite a bit more about my Grandfather (only because he came to live in my hometown of Fleetwood in Lancashire) I have spent months looking for descendants of the family and found nothing. I cannot find anything about his mother Mary, nor birth records for John T Snr. I have searched deaths, marriages, military, emigration etc to no avail. I have done a DNA test with Ancestry and have quite a lot of Treanor matches. So my question is, am I wasting my time because the records don't exist, or do I need to employ a different method? Incidentally my Donnelly ancestors came from the Tempo area of County Fermanagh and I have exactly the same challenge in finding them.                                                                                                           Thanks for reading and I would be grateful for any replies Martin

 

 

 

 

MartinJD

Wednesday 5th June 2019, 01:56PM

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  • Hi Martin

    Here is the record of John's birth including address at the time. You may already have this.

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03335/2222562.pdf

    This seems to be the death of John snr. Notice he was living in Co.Fermanagh at the time of his death.

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05831/4650921.pdf

    No luck so far with anything on Mary but I'll keep looking.

    Miriam

    Wednesday 5th June 2019, 02:46PM
  • Hi Miriam, yes these are the records I have. Think it is going to be hard to find records of JT Snr's birth as I dont know where he was born, nor do I have any details of his siblings or parents. Think the only way it may be solved is via another person with a DNA match, who has ancestors up the line of other Treanors. I have written to quite a few but only received two replies which is disappointing. Another key maybe locating the marriage of JT Snr and Mary Corrigan, where I might be able to identify other family members. 

    Regards

    Martin

    MartinJD

    Wednesday 5th June 2019, 04:05PM
  • Martin

    Family Search has an index record of a marriage between Mary Corrigan and John Trainer in Dundee, Scotland on Jan 8th 1864.

    It's a possibility. There was a lot of travel between Northern Ireland and Scotland.

    Scotland's People is the site for Scottish records. You have to set up an account and buy credits but it is relatively inexpensive. 

    It would be worth it I think as it may give you some answers.

    Miriam

    Wednesday 5th June 2019, 04:46PM
  • Hi Miriam

    Thank you, I hadn't thought of looking in Scotland, the date is around the right time too. I will have a look. Is Scotlands People the Organisation where you obtain official records and certificates? I have obtained other certificates through my Local Authority at home and PRONI 

    Martin

    MartinJD

    Wednesday 5th June 2019, 06:51PM
  • Yes, Martin, I think the Scotland has a separate system to the rest of the UK.

    I've left you a message regarding your other query also.

    Miriam

    Wednesday 5th June 2019, 06:55PM
  • Hi Miriam, I have registered and found the record you located. Purchased the image to find it was a brief entry in a register, hardly any detail except their names, date and noting the presence of a Susan Corrigan. However if it is my JT Snr then it is another piece of the puzzle, I will probably need to purchase a full copy certificate to be sure.

    Thank you, Martin :-)

    MartinJD

    Wednesday 5th June 2019, 07:49PM
  • Martin, you're most welcome. I have found the people at Scotland's people to be very helpful. I emailed  them once regarding my GGgrandparents marriage and the lady at the other end actually looked it up there and then with no charge. (as it happens it seems they were never married lol) so maybe contact them and see if you come up trumps.

    Miriam

    Wednesday 5th June 2019, 07:58PM
  • Thanks Miriam, think I need to contact them to verify what records are available other than the sort entry in the register

    Martin

    MartinJD

    Thursday 6th June 2019, 10:12AM
  • If you want to view the full 1864 marriage certificate it’s cost you around £2 (sterling) on Scotlandspeople:

    https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/search-our-records

    Scottish marriage certificates are much better than Irish and English ones as they contain both parents names and occupations, plus they record whether those parents were alive or dead at that date.

    Elwyn

    Saturday 8th June 2019, 09:41PM
  • Thank you Elwyn

    MartinJD

    Sunday 9th June 2019, 08:40PM
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    Hi Miriam

    Not sure about the marriage of John Treanor and Mary Corrigan. I did contact Scottish People and they said the only record was the one I saw, with very little detail. In the meantime I have revisited the search on genealogy websites, doing some 'wildcard' searches and changed the spelling; I found a Corrigan Family tree with John and Mary on it, same marriage details. So it throws doubt upon whether it is the John and Mary I am looking for. Of course the owners of the other tree may have got it wrong and there isnt any supporting evidence to view.

    Kind regards

    Martin

     

    MartinJD

    Tuesday 30th July 2019, 09:01AM
  • Hi again Martin,

    Why not try contacting the manager of the tree through Ancestry, providing they answer, you should know quickly enough if their tree is correct or not. I tend to find that if they do not have supporting evidence on their tree it's likely they just don't have it.

    Either way the best way to go about it is to try to solidify your own evidence and ignore what anybody else has on their tree if they cannot prove their links.

    Also helpful to bear in mind that sometimes people put relationships on their trees just so see if they get any 'hints' that might prove their line of thinking.

    I forget if you have had your DNA tested, if not, this is another way to make connections on Ancestry and DNA doesn't lie!!!

    Miriam

    Wednesday 31st July 2019, 10:49AM
  • Martin-

    If you have done DNA testing, there is a new Facebook DNA Matchmaker group for County Armagh and Tyrone. If you upload a GEDMatch to the matchmaker tool, you may find relatives with ancestry specifically from this area.

    Margaret Perkins

     

     

     

     

     

    GranNan3

    Thursday 1st August 2019, 10:29AM
  • Martin

     

    Hi Miriam, spent some time looking at the Dundee Marriage on the other family tree. I think their records and evidence is genuine, so am going to remove the marriage and keep searching,

    Regards

     

    MartinJD

    Thursday 1st August 2019, 07:17PM
  • Hi Margaret,

    I have joined Irish DNA Registry and County Tyrone Genealogy facebook pages and posted my gedmatch results there.

    Lots of replies from the Registry pages but nothing promising yet

    Thanks

    Martin

    MartinJD

    Thursday 1st August 2019, 07:21PM