Looking for anything on my Devine ancestors who lived in, I believe, Ballyfatten, Urney, Tyrone.
James Devine b:abt. 1808 County Donegal/Tyrone
1827 James married Martha Crumlish b:abt 1810. Assumed to be a RC church somewhere near Urney
James and Martha had 6 childern
Esther b:1828 in Scotland
Thomas b:1838
Hannah b:1840
John b:1845
Patrick b:1848 in Scotland
Joseph b:1850
The US records show that all 8 of them arrived in America in 1852 - probably in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Thank you for your attention, time and help.
Tom Kenny
Sunday 20th Dec 2015, 09:29PM
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It doesn’t appear there are any RC baptism or marriage records for Urney earlier than 1864 for marriages and 1866 for baptisms. Therefore, if that’s where the family came from, sadly I think you’ll struggle to find any record of them in church sources.
Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
Monday 21st Dec 2015, 10:38AM -
Morning Elwyn and Thank You so very much for your time and effort on my behalf. I do have a secondary question regarding my ancestors and their immigration from Ireland to America.
All of the US records show that my people all arrived at the same time, 1852. Meaning 2 adults and 6 children. My question is, do you have any ideas or thoughts on how they were all able to pay for the passage? As far as I know my ancestors were just poor potato farmers.
Tom
Monday 21st Dec 2015, 02:43PM -
Tom,
They may have been potato farmers in Donegal but in Scotland they would almost certainly have been working in some type of industry, earning a reasonable or tolerable wage.
One of Ireland’s problems is a lack of natural resources. There’s no coal, oil, iron ore etc, and so apart from a modest amount of shipbuilding in Belfast and the Belfast linen mills (which mostly only employed women), it did not really get the industrial revolution that benefited England and Scotland where mills, steelworks, ship building, coal mining and all their support industries were major employers creating hundreds of thousands of new jobs. Much better paid than subsistence farming or weaving.
If you look at the Scottish censuses for the Glasgow area in 1800s, you will see that about every fifth person recorded there was born in Ireland. Scotland was a particularly popular place to go to work because it was easy and very cheap to get to. (Indeed large numbers of people from Donegal still go there for work to this day).
My guess therefore is that the family earned the money to pay for their passage whilst living and working in Scotland. Stepped migration like that was very common.
Have a look for them in the 1841 & 1851 censuses on the Scotlandspeople site to see what their occupations were. I’d expect things like labourer in an iron foundry or suchlike. That’ll give you a clue.
Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
Monday 28th Dec 2015, 05:47PM